reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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Had to put these up as they explain the history of Vatican 2, Its effects on Church Architecture & many of the other issues & concerns Prax has talked about on this thread with regard to reordering of Church’s & Cathedrals.
@apelles wrote:
Had to put these up as they explain the history of Vatican 2, Its effects on Church Architecture & many of the other issues & concerns Prax has talked about on this thread with regard to reordering of Church’s & Cathedrals.
Theologically these would be a bit OTT !
@Praxiteles wrote:
Theologically these would be a bit OTT !
Glad you said that Prax..Personally I wouldn’t go to Church anymore if they got rid of the obligatory limbo dancing.
@apelles wrote:
Glad you said that Prax..Personally I wouldn’t go to Church anymore if they got rid of the obligatory limbo dancing.
Materially, Praxiteles would of course agree that much of what we see in here is just plain nuts and, to use a fashionable expression, simply inexcusable. It is doubtful that any middle of the road punter would want to promote the sheer indignity and baseness of much of what is presented as modern excess.
Where we have to part ways, howver, arrives with the theological interpretation or formal presentation of this material. It is not acceptable, for instance, to posit the thesis that Vat II was, unlike previous Councils, not the object fo teh Holy Spirit’s Guidance of that somehow a legittimately caonvoked and celebrated Oecumenical Council is somehow or other defetable or defective or that its documents are contrary to catholic teaching or that surpeme authority in the Church is somehow or other not functioning for the goof of the Church – all this might easily be seen within the optic of Joachimism and its intellectual progeny in the West.
Likewise, the thesis cannot be theologically posited that there is an opposition bewteen the text of the Council and the spirit of the Concil. That there is a dichotomy between the will of Christ and the the inspiration of the Holy Spirit – as many of those who did the wrecking of churches hold. They forget, however, that theologically the Holy Spirit cannot operate separate from,and much less against, Christ.
Both extremes in this controversy are equally condemnable as far as the Second Vatican Council is concerned. the real way forward to an intelelctual regeneration of Catholicism is to read the texts of the of the Council and set them within their dogmatic and liturgical context. This, although a standard principle of interpretation in canon law, appears only to have been recently discovered and has been dubbed the “hermenutic of continuity” – which in itself says something of those who practice the hermenutic of continuity!
Correggio’s famous frescoes in Parma seems to melt the ceiling of the cathedral and draw the viewer into a gyre of spiritual ecstasy.
The flight of the Madonna in the vault of the cupola of the Cathedral of Parma inspired numerous scenographical decorations in lay and religious palaces during the 20th centuries.
You can get there by going here..http://www.skyscrapercityshowthread.php?t=839410&page=5
The Sacred made Real. This was on “The Culture Show” on BBC2 thursday evening..the Exhibition runs until Jan 24th next, at The National Gallery, London.
I believe it shows a new found appreciation for what had been previously ‘consigned to the bombfire’.And here is a very interesng clip on the restoration of the Cosmati floor in Westminster Abbey:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNABnsL_3tg&feature=player_embedded
When I was Sacrist ( one of the Minor Canons ) of the Abbey, a quarter of a century ago, we generally only had a large persian carpet over the central section in front of the altar and down the steps; the sides remained uncovered and a constant thoroughfare. It was very uneven and our passage can have done the inlay no favours.
For Royal and State occasions a blue carpet covered the whole area.
Whatever else, it is quite magnificent and the commentary here serves to illustrate many of the points of ecclesiastical decoration Praxiteles has been trying to make here – above all, nothing is left to chance, everything has a reason.
I know Prax put this up before but I thought I’d stick it up again, it being the silly season an all….:Sir Humphrey Appleby explains the modernist in Church of England terms…:D
Adoration of the Magi by Stephan Lochner, Cologne Cathedral (1440)
Latin text
O magnum mysterium,
et admirabile sacramentum,
ut animalia viderent Dominum natum,
jacentem in praesepio!
Beata Virgo, cujus viscera
meruerunt portare
Dominum Christum.
Alleluia.
English translation
O great mystery,
and wonderful sacrament,
that animals should see the new-born Lord,
lying in a manger!
Blessed is the Virgin whose womb
was worthy to bear
Christ the Lord.
Alleluia!
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