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  • #773276
    gunter
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    Interesting observation on Cologne Cathedral.

    The extraordinary amount of structure that went into making these fantastic soaring gothic interiors appear so effortless on the inside.

    It’s also relevant to the discussion that about 3/4 of Cologne Cathedral date to exactly the same period as Cobh Cathedral and, if I’m not mistaken, the masses to celebtate the official opening of each church were just months apart in 1879/80.

    Here are some images lifted from various publications that document the completion of Cologne Cathedral


    Original architect’s drawing of the facade dating to about 1310


    a painting of 1798 and a modern model showing the state construction had reached after work stopped around 1560


    a painting of the ceremony held at the resumption of work on the construction in 1842, showing the south tower with it’s iconic medieval crane still in place



    a sequence of prints and later photographs showing the progress of the construction.

    CologneMike will probably have more detailed information 🙂

    #773277
    Praxiteles
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    Gunter:

    This is exactly my point about Cobh Cathedral and the livinbg building tradition that continues in the form of Dombauhutte (not Dombauverein as CologneMike rightly points out) in Cologne. Another interesting point about this institution is August Reichensperger who brought the Cathedral of Cologne to completion. A polymath, his interests in architecture and art provided much of the tehoretical basis needed to promote the neo-Gothic revival in Germany. Again, he was a close associate of A.W.N. Pugin and of A.N. Didron in Paris. All three attended the consecration of Pugin’s masterpiece at Cheadle in 1846.

    What is institutionally lacking in Cobh to secure the maintenanc eof the building is exactly what has survived from the Middle Ages in Cologne and should serve a model to follow and a source of experience and wisdom from which todraw. Milan Cathedral also has a long surviving Fabbrica to look after the building as does St. Peter’s in Rome where many of the craftsmen employed are direc descendents of those whoc build the new basilica in the 16th century. These craftsmen knw every nook and cranny of the buildings they live and work with.

    #773278
    Praxiteles
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    Here is the link to the Dombauhutte in Cologne. It employs about 60 stonemasons, glass workers, carpenters, scaffolding builders etc.

    http://www.dombau-koeln.de/index.php?id=27&ssl=0

    The present Cathedral Architect is: Barbara Schock-Werner (appointed 1999).

    Indeed, a couple of words with her and Praxiteles is sure that she would have a good idea as to how to treat the decaying fabric in Cobh.

    And for the water ingress problem in Cobh, here are some wise words from teh Dombauhutte in Cologne:

    Wichtig für den Erhalt des Bauwerkes Kölner Dom ist vor allem aber auch die ordnungsgemäße Ableitung des Regenwassers. Die hierzu entwickelten Wasserableitsysteme sind seit dem Mittelalter integraler Bestandteil der Architektur und eine wahre Ingenieurleistung. Allerdings bedürfen die Tausende Meter an Rinnen und Rohren ständiger Wartung und gelegentlich auch grundlegender Instandsetzung. Auch hierfür sind die Dachdecker der Dombauhütte verantwortlich.

    #773279
    Praxiteles
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    And here is the lovely lady herself Dr. Barbara Schock-Werner, Cologne Cathedral Architect

    #773280
    Peter Parler
    Participant

    BENEDICT XVI: MEETING WITH ARTISTS IN THE SISTINE CHAPEL , 21.11.2009

    With great joy I welcome you to this solemn place, so rich in art and in history. I cordially greet each and every one of you and I thank you for accepting my invitation. At this gathering I wish to express and renew the Church’s friendship with the world of art, a friendship that has been strengthened over time; indeed Christianity from its earliest days has recognized the value of the arts and has made wise use of their varied language to express her unvarying message of salvation. This friendship must be continually promoted and supported so that it may be authentic and fruitful, adapted to different historical periods and attentive to social and cultural variations. Indeed, this is the reason for our meeting here today. I am deeply grateful to Archbishop Gianfranco Ravasi, President of the Pontifical Council for Culture and of the Pontifical Commission for the Cultural Patrimony of the Church, and likewise to his officials, for promoting and organizing this meeting, and I thank him for the words he has just addressed to me. I greet the Cardinals, the Bishops, the priests and the various distinguished personalities present. I also thank the Sistine Chapel Choir for their contribution to this gathering. Today’s event is focused on you, dear and illustrious artists, from different countries, cultures and religions, some of you perhaps remote from the practice of religion, but interested nevertheless in maintaining communication with the Catholic Church, in not reducing the horizons of existence to mere material realities, to a reductive and trivializing vision. You represent the varied world of the arts and so, through you, I would like to convey to all artists my invitation to friendship, dialogue and cooperation.

    Some significant anniversaries occur around this time. It is ten years since the Letter to Artists by my venerable Predecessor, the Servant of God Pope John Paul II. For the first time, on the eve of the Great Jubilee of the Year 2000, the Pope, who was an artist himself, wrote a Letter to artists, combining the solemnity of a pontifical document with the friendly tone of a conversation among all who, as we read in the initial salutation, “are passionately dedicated to the search for new ‘epiphanies’ of beauty”. Twenty-five years ago the same Pope proclaimed Blessed Fra Angelico the patron of artists, presenting him as a model of perfect harmony between faith and art. I also recall how on 7 May 1964, forty-five years ago, in this very place, an historic event took place, at the express wish of Pope Paul VI, to confirm the friendship between the Church and the arts. The words that he spoke on that occasion resound once more today under the vault of the Sistine Chapel and touch our hearts and our minds. “We need you,” he said. “We need your collaboration in order to carry out our ministry, which consists, as you know, in preaching and rendering accessible and comprehensible to the minds and hearts of our people the things of the spirit, the invisible, the ineffable, the things of God himself. And in this activity … you are masters. It is your task, your mission, and your art consists in grasping treasures from the heavenly realm of the spirit and clothing them in words, colours, forms – making them accessible.” So great was Paul VI’s esteem for artists that he was moved to use daring expressions. “And if we were deprived of your assistance,” he added, “our ministry would become faltering and uncertain, and a special effort would be needed, one might say, to make it artistic, even prophetic. In order to scale the heights of lyrical expression of intuitive beauty, priesthood would have to coincide with art.” On that occasion Paul VI made a commitment to “re-establish the friendship between the Church and artists”, and he invited artists to make a similar, shared commitment, analyzing seriously and objectively the factors that disturbed this relationship, and assuming individual responsibility, courageously and passionately, for a newer and deeper journey in mutual acquaintance and dialogue in order to arrive at an authentic “renaissance” of art in the context of a new humanism.

    That historic encounter, as I mentioned, took place here in this sanctuary of faith and human creativity. So it is not by chance that we come together in this place, esteemed for its architecture and its symbolism, and above all for the frescoes that make it unique, from the masterpieces of Perugino and Botticelli, Ghirlandaio and Cosimo Rosselli, Luca Signorelli and others, to the Genesis scenes and the Last Judgement of Michelangelo Buonarroti, who has given us here one of the most extraordinary creations in the entire history of art. The universal language of music has often been heard here, thanks to the genius of great musicians who have placed their art at the service of the liturgy, assisting the spirit in its ascent towards God. At the same time, the Sistine Chapel is remarkably vibrant with history, since it is the solemn and austere setting of events that mark the history of the Church and of mankind. Here as you know, the College of Cardinals elects the Pope; here it was that I myself, with trepidation but also with absolute trust in the Lord, experienced the privileged moment of my election as Successor of the Apostle Peter.

    Dear friends, let us allow these frescoes to speak to us today, drawing us towards the ultimate goal of human history. The Last Judgement, which you see behind me, reminds us that human history is movement and ascent, a continuing tension towards fullness, towards human happiness, towards a horizon that always transcends the present moment even as the two coincide. Yet the dramatic scene portrayed in this fresco also places before our eyes the risk of man’s definitive fall, a risk that threatens to engulf him whenever he allows himself to be led astray by the forces of evil. So the fresco issues a strong prophetic cry against evil, against every form of injustice. For believers, though, the Risen Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life. For his faithful followers, he is the Door through which we are brought to that “face-to-face” vision of God from which limitless, full and definitive happiness flows. Thus Michelangelo presents to our gaze the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End of history, and he invites us to walk the path of life with joy, courage and hope. The dramatic beauty of Michelangelo’s painting, its colours and forms, becomes a proclamation of hope, an invitation to raise our gaze to the ultimate horizon. The profound bond between beauty and hope was the essential content of the evocative Message that Paul VI addressed to artists at the conclusion of the Second Vatican Ecumenical Council on 8 December 1965: “To all of you,” he proclaimed solemnly, “the Church of the Council declares through our lips: if you are friends of true art, you are our friends!” And he added: “This world in which we live needs beauty in order not to sink into despair. Beauty, like truth, brings joy to the human heart, and is that precious fruit which resists the erosion of time, which unites generations and enables them to be one in admiration. And all this through the work of your hands . . . Remember that you are the custodians of beauty in the world.”

    Unfortunately, the present time is marked, not only by negative elements in the social and economic sphere, but also by a weakening of hope, by a certain lack of confidence in human relationships, which gives rise to increasing signs of resignation, aggression and despair. The world in which we live runs the risk of being altered beyond recognition because of unwise human actions which, instead of cultivating its beauty, unscrupulously exploit its resources for the advantage of a few and not infrequently disfigure the marvels of nature. What is capable of restoring enthusiasm and confidence, what can encourage the human spirit to rediscover its path, to raise its eyes to the horizon, to dream of a life worthy of its vocation – if not beauty? Dear friends, as artists you know well that the experience of beauty, beauty that is authentic, not merely transient or artificial, is by no means a supplementary or secondary factor in our search for meaning and happiness; the experience of beauty does not remove us from reality, on the contrary, it leads to a direct encounter with the daily reality of our lives, liberating it from darkness, transfiguring it, making it radiant and beautiful.

    Indeed, an essential function of genuine beauty, as emphasized by Plato, is that it gives man a healthy “shock”, it draws him out of himself, wrenches him away from resignation and from being content with the humdrum – it even makes him suffer, piercing him like a dart, but in so doing it “reawakens” him, opening afresh the eyes of his heart and mind, giving him wings, carrying him aloft. Dostoevsky’s words that I am about to quote are bold and paradoxical, but they invite reflection. He says this: “Man can live without science, he can live without bread, but without beauty he could no longer live, because there would no longer be anything to do to the world. The whole secret is here, the whole of history is here.” The painter Georges Braque echoes this sentiment: “Art is meant to disturb, science reassures.” Beauty pulls us up short, but in so doing it reminds us of our final destiny, it sets us back on our path, fills us with new hope, gives us the courage to live to the full the unique gift of life. The quest for beauty that I am describing here is clearly not about escaping into the irrational or into mere aestheticism.

    Too often, though, the beauty that is thrust upon us is illusory and deceitful, superficial and blinding, leaving the onlooker dazed; instead of bringing him out of himself and opening him up to horizons of true freedom as it draws him aloft, it imprisons him within himself and further enslaves him, depriving him of hope and joy. It is a seductive but hypocritical beauty that rekindles desire, the will to power, to possess, and to dominate others, it is a beauty which soon turns into its opposite, taking on the guise of indecency, transgression or gratuitous provocation. Authentic beauty, however, unlocks the yearning of the human heart, the profound desire to know, to love, to go towards the Other, to reach for the Beyond. If we acknowledge that beauty touches us intimately, that it wounds us, that it opens our eyes, then we rediscover the joy of seeing, of being able to grasp the profound meaning of our existence, the Mystery of which we are part; from this Mystery we can draw fullness, happiness, the passion to engage with it every day. In this regard, Pope John Paul II, in his Letter to Artists, quotes the following verse from a Polish poet, Cyprian Norwid: “Beauty is to enthuse us for work, and work is to raise us up” (no. 3). And later he adds: “In so far as it seeks the beautiful, fruit of an imagination which rises above the everyday, art is by its nature a kind of appeal to the mystery. Even when they explore the darkest depths of the soul or the most unsettling aspects of evil, the artist gives voice in a way to the universal desire for redemption” (no. 10). And in conclusion he states: “Beauty is a key to the mystery and a call to transcendence” (no. 16).

    These ideas impel us to take a further step in our reflection. Beauty, whether that of the natural universe or that expressed in art, precisely because it opens up and broadens the horizons of human awareness, pointing us beyond ourselves, bringing us face to face with the abyss of Infinity, can become a path towards the transcendent, towards the ultimate Mystery, towards God. Art, in all its forms, at the point where it encounters the great questions of our existence, the fundamental themes that give life its meaning, can take on a religious quality, thereby turning into a path of profound inner reflection and spirituality. This close proximity, this harmony between the journey of faith and the artist’s path is attested by countless artworks that are based upon the personalities, the stories, the symbols of that immense deposit of “figures” – in the broad sense – namely the Bible, the Sacred Scriptures. The great biblical narratives, themes, images and parables have inspired innumerable masterpieces in every sector of the arts, just as they have spoken to the hearts of believers in every generation through the works of craftsmanship and folk art, that are no less eloquent and evocative.

    In this regard, one may speak of a via pulchritudinis, a path of beauty which is at the same time an artistic and aesthetic journey, a journey of faith, of theological enquiry. The theologian Hans Urs von Balthasar begins his great work entitled The Glory of the Lord – a Theological Aesthetics with these telling observations: “Beauty is the word with which we shall begin. Beauty is the last word that the thinking intellect dares to speak, because it simply forms a halo, an untouchable crown around the double constellation of the true and the good and their inseparable relation to one another.” He then adds: “Beauty is the disinterested one, without which the ancient world refused to understand itself, a word which both imperceptibly and yet unmistakably has bid farewell to our new world, a world of interests, leaving it to its own avarice and sadness. It is no longer loved or fostered even by religion.” And he concludes: “We can be sure that whoever sneers at her name as if she were the ornament of a bourgeois past – whether he admits it or not – can no longer pray and soon will no longer be able to love.” The way of beauty leads us, then, to grasp the Whole in the fragment, the Infinite in the finite, God in the history of humanity. Simone Weil wrote in this regard: “In all that awakens within us the pure and authentic sentiment of beauty, there, truly, is the presence of God. There is a kind of incarnation of God in the world, of which beauty is the sign. Beauty is the experimental proof that incarnation is possible. For this reason all art of the first order is, by its nature, religious.” Hermann Hesse makes the point even more graphically: “Art means: revealing God in everything that exists.” Echoing the words of Pope Paul VI, the Servant of God Pope John Paul II restated the Church’s desire to renew dialogue and cooperation with artists: “In order to communicate the message entrusted to her by Christ, the Church needs art” (no. 12); but he immediately went on to ask: “Does art need the Church?” – thereby inviting artists to rediscover a source of fresh and well-founded inspiration in religious experience, in Christian revelation and in the “great codex” that is the Bible.

    Dear artists, as I draw to a conclusion, I too would like to make a cordial, friendly and impassioned appeal to you, as did my Predecessor. You are the custodians of beauty: thanks to your talent, you have the opportunity to speak to the heart of humanity, to touch individual and collective sensibilities, to call forth dreams and hopes, to broaden the horizons of knowledge and of human engagement. Be grateful, then, for the gifts you have received and be fully conscious of your great responsibility to communicate beauty, to communicate in and through beauty! Through your art, you yourselves are to be heralds and witnesses of hope for humanity! And do not be afraid to approach the first and last source of beauty, to enter into dialogue with believers, with those who, like yourselves, consider that they are pilgrims in this world and in history towards infinite Beauty! Faith takes nothing away from your genius or your art: on the contrary, it exalts them and nourishes them, it encourages them to cross the threshold and to contemplate with fascination and emotion the ultimate and definitive goal, the sun that does not set, the sun that illumines this present moment and makes it beautiful.

    Saint Augustine, who fell in love with beauty and sang its praises, wrote these words as he reflected on man’s ultimate destiny, commenting almost ante litteram on the Judgement scene before your eyes today: “Therefore we are to see a certain vision, my brethren, that no eye has seen, nor ear heard, nor the heart of man conceived: a vision surpassing all earthly beauty, whether it be that of gold and silver, woods and fields, sea and sky, sun and moon, or stars and angels. The reason is this: it is the source of all other beauty” (In 1 Ioannis, 4:5). My wish for all of you, dear artists, is that you may carry this vision in your eyes, in your hands, and in your heart, that it may bring you joy and continue to inspire your fine works. From my heart I bless you and, like Paul VI, I greet you with a single word: arrivederci!

    #773281
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @gunter wrote:

    CologneMike will probably have more detailed information 🙂

    Nice images Gunter.

    Here a few links from Cologne Cathedral’s website (English).

    Audio guide ~ Architecture

    History of the Building

    Virtual Tour

    #773282
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    And here is the institution charged with the maintenance of the Cathedral of Milan. The Veneranda Fabbrica has been on the go since 1387:

    http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneranda_fabbrica_del_Duomo_di_Milano

    And here is another person who could usefully be asked about maintaining roofs, drains and stone-work in Gothic Cathedrals – the chief architect of the Veneranda Fabbrica of the Cathedral of Milan, Benigno Moerlin Visconti Castiglione

    The stone for the Cathedral of Milan comes from a quarry at Candoglia given to the Cathedral in 1387 by the Duke of Milan, Giangaleazzo Visconti. Here is a picture of the Cava Madre which is where most of the present Cathedral comes from.

    #773283
    Praxiteles
    Participant
    #773284
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    And here we have an interview with the Maestro himself on the conclusion of the restoration of the facade which took 6 years and began in 2003.

    http://images.google.it/imgres?imgurl=http://locali.data.kataweb.it/kpmimages/kpm3/gloc/2009/01/05/1663632.jpeg&imgrefurl=http://milano.repubblica.it/dettaglio/cosi-abbiamo-restituito-il-duomo-a-questa-citta/1570599&usg=__8DLGakeKeo7PAhAzLCUaWEnETFc=&h=325&w=220&sz=13&hl=it&start=20&um=1&tbnid=y2BGH4t5tuex4M:&tbnh=118&tbnw=80&prev=/images%3Fq%3DBenigno%2BM%25C3%25B6rlin%2BVisconti%2BCastiglione%26hl%3Dit%26rlz%3D1T4HPEA_itIT241IT241%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1

    And here are some words of wisdom on the need for continuous monitoring a d
    building such as Cobh Cathedral:

    «Ma è naturale: per conservare in modo dignitoso un monumento delle dimensioni e della complessità del Duomo i lavori devono essere a ciclo continuo. Tanto che adesso ne partiranno subito altri, che non riguarderanno la facciata».

    #773285
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    And here are all the essential details of the Veneranda Fabbrica of Milanwhich is an ecclesiastical entity, in the ownership of the state, which consists of seven members, elected for three years. Tow are nominated by the Archbishop of Milan and teh remaining by the state having consulted with the Archbishop. The purpose of the Fabbrica is to maintain the fabric and patrimony (including the choir) of the Cathedral of Milan.

    http://www.fabbricerieitaliane.it/milano.htm

    #773286
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    And, of course, one of the most important institutions for the maintenance and restoration of a important cathedral in Italy is the Procuratoria di San Marco in Venice.

    The Procuratoria of St. Mark’s Basilica
    The ancient name of Procuratoria of St. Mark was given to the vestry-board of St. Mark’s cathedral basilica with a Royal Decree dated July 9, 1931. Its duties are the protection, maintenance and repairs of the basilica, bell tower and their pertinences. Indeed, the Procurators of St. Mark constituted one of the most important magistracies of the state up until the fall of the Republic of Venice (1797).

    The Procurators of St. Mark de supra dealt with the administration of the assets owned by St. Mark’s church and the protection of the church.
    The present Procuratoria council is made up of seven Procurators, from among whom the chairman is chosen, called the prime Procurator.
    The Procurators choose an engineer or architect, called the foreman of St. Mark, to whom management of the technical services is entrusted. He has specific duties relating to the respectful preservation of the buildings and their single parts through use of the most suitable means that engineering makes available, in conformity with the religion’s needs and the provisions of the ecclesiastic authorities.
    The foreman is assisted by other professionals for all the tasks and activities of the office: an engineer, two architects and a building surveyor.
    The Mosaic Office reports to technical services management. It is in charge of the preservation and repairs of the mosaic surface while keeping the old tradition typical of St. Mark’s alive. Also under technical services management is a team of restorers who work on maintaining St. Mark’s buildings and their movables. The Procuratoria keeps a 19th-20th century archive of documents and photographs, and also has a library specifically pertaining to St. Mark’s Basilica.
    All administrative personnel, caretakers and security guards are employed by the Procuratoria.

    Members of the current Procuratoria Council are: Giorgio Orsoni (prime Procurator), Antonio Meneguolo, Antonio Niero, Irene Favaretto, Giovanni Candiani, Giovanni Mazzacurati and Dino Sesani.
    St. Mark’s Proto (foreman): Ettore Vio.

    http://www.basilicasanmarco.it/WAI/eng/index.bsm

    #773287
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    And here is a link to the Fabbrica of the Cathedral of Florence. This institution has been running sine 1296.

    http://www.fabbricerieitaliane.it/smaria.htm

    Anyone interested in art history will immediately recognise many of the names of of the members of the institutions shown here because of the scientific writings and research. Clearly, we are dealing with a very competent group of people who know and appreciate what they vareabout …unlike other places where the guardians can hardly read or write.

    Here ois the link to the English version of teh Fabbrica’s webpage:

    http://www.operaduomo.firenze.it/english/archivio/

    #773288
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    And here a link to teh Fabbrica di San Pietro in Rome whose origings begin in the reign of Julius II and whose formal erection took place under Clement VII in 1526.

    http://www.vaticanstate.va/IT/Monumenti/Basilica_di_S_Pietro/Fabbrica_di_San_Pietro.htm

    #773289
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    And in France, the charge of maintaining historic monuments falls to teh Architects des Batiments de France:

    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecte_des_b%C3%A2timents_de_France

    And here are the architects who carry out this responsibility throughout France:

    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Architecte_en_chef_des_monuments_historiques

    and a more complete list:

    http://www.mediatheque-patrimoine.culture.gouv.fr/fr/biographies/index_acmh.html

    #773290
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    Benedict XVI and the encounter with artists in the Sixtine Chapel, 21 November 2009

    Here is a partial list of some 500 artists from all disciplines who were present in the sixtine chapel:

    Circa cinquecento gli inviti recapitati, a creativi ritenuti rappresentativi di tutte le discipline, dalla pittura alla scultura, architettura, letteratura e poesia, musica e canto, cinema, teatro, danza, fotografia. Fra gli ospiti internazionali hanno confermato la loro presenza Daniel Libeskind, Santiago Calatrava, Bob Wilson, Peter Greenaway, Bono, Anish Kapoor, David Chipperfield, Zaha Hadid, Carsten Nicolai, F. Murray Abraham, Ami Stewart.
    Più folta la pattuglia italiana, con presenze che per le arti visive vanno da Jannis Kounellis a Getulio Alviani, Bruno Ceccobelli, Sandro Chia, Nicola De Maria, Giosetta Fioroni, Giuseppe Gallo, Mimmo Jodice, Mimmo Paladino, Giulio Paolini, Arnaldo Pomodoro. Fra i molti altri, presenti anche Vittorio Gregotti, Paolo Portoghesi, Alberto Arbasino, Alberto Bevilacqua, Claudio Magris, Andrea Bocelli, Angelo Branduardi, Riccardo Cocciante, Ennio Morricone, Sergio Castellitto, Dante Ferretti, Arnoldo Foà, Carla Fracci, Mario Monicelli, Nanni Moretti, Franco Zeffirelli.

    #773291
    apelles
    Participant

    Bono representing Ireland…That’s unusual..

    What’s the difference between God & Bono? God doesn’t believe he’s Bono.

    #773292
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    @apelles wrote:

    Bono representing Ireland…That’s unusual..

    What’s the difference between God & Bono? God doesn’t believe he’s Bono.

    Interesting!

    #773293
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    The Chapel of the Convent of the Soeurs Grises de la Charité de Montréal:

    Victor Bourgeau begun in 1869; tower built in 1890 by Maurice Perrault and Albert Mesnard.

    #773294
    Praxiteles
    Participant
    #773295
    Praxiteles
    Participant

    The Chapel of the Grand Seminaire, Montreal

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