reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- November 12, 2005 at 3:51 am #767254
Neo Goth
ParticipantI guess most people on this thread have visited the brilliant website by the Friends of St Colman’s Cathedral at http://www.foscc.com my compliments to the friends for trying to stop this latest outbreak of architectural vandalism.
Neo-Goths of the world unite and strike back!
November 12, 2005 at 8:55 am #767255Praxiteles
ParticipantIn Cobh Cathedral, for years the great central motif of the moasic in the chancel was covered by a green carpet ivo-stuck to the floor. In the first phase of the Cathedral restoration it was removed. Because it had been glued to the floor, and at a time when there was still some bit of respect for Oppenheimer’s work, it was taken up by steeping it in large quantities of petrol to avoid tearing up the tesserae of the mosaic. At that time, a phoney appreciation of the central chancel mosaic was used to justify removing the altar rails – all quietly forgotten, however, since Cathal O’Neill proposed digging out the entire floor, mosaic and all.
November 12, 2005 at 12:41 pm #767256Gianlorenzo
ParticipantOppenheimer is also credited with the design of the Clonard Redemptorist Church, Falls Rd., Belfast.
This church, also known as the Church of the Holy Redeemer, occupies a dramatic site on one wing of a three-sided courtyard. It is linked by a tower to the red brick and sandstone monastery extension. There is a large rose window in the west façade.
Clonard was designed in early French Gothic style by Ludwig Oppenheimer and built in 1897 by the Naughton brothers of Randalstown. It is home to the Redemptorists, who were founded in Italy in 1732 and contains mosaics from Gabriel Loire of Chartres. The Monastery was the scene of the first contacts that started the Northern Ireland peace process in the early 1990s.
http://www.gotobelfast.com/index.November 12, 2005 at 4:45 pm #767257Praxiteles
ParticipantAfter a little digging, it appears that Ludwig Oppenheimer worked on several major projects in Ireland:The Dublin Museum (1890); Cobh Cathedral (1892); Sts Augustine and John, Thomas Street, Dublin (c.1899); Newry Cathedral (1904-1909); Redemptorist Church, Limerick (1927); Sts. Peter and Paul, Clonmel (??); St. Mary’s, Nenagh (1910); the Honan Chapel, UCC,Cork (c.1915); Clonakilty; Fermoy; Midleton; Kilmallock. Interestingly, George Ashlin was involved in all of the above mentioned projects (except the Honan Chapel and Dublin Museum) and seems consistently to have retained Ludwig Oppenheimer to carry out mosaic work.
November 12, 2005 at 5:26 pm #767258Neo Goth
ParticipantSo the proposed changes necessitate the destruction of the mosaic floor of the cathedral but what will be put there in its place? Does the architect favour the bathroom tile model of the cathedral in Killarney?
November 12, 2005 at 5:43 pm #767259Praxiteles
ParticipantA pastiche job is proposed incorporating salvage from the present central mosaic and some matching glories imported from the Domus Dei people who similarly obliged -albeit much less radically- in Newry (1992). Apart from that, no specifics have been outlined by Cathal O’Neill for the replacement.
November 12, 2005 at 6:24 pm #767260MacLeinin
ParticipantI thought that the Parish Church in Nenagh was by Walter Doolin, not Ashlin.
November 12, 2005 at 6:33 pm #767261Praxiteles
ParticipantYes, you are correct. The parish church in Nenagh is by Walter Doolin. Ashlin was the assessor for the competition and chose Doolin’s submission. Walter Doolin had also been George Ashlin’s pupil. Jermey WIlliams in his Companion Guide to Architecture in Ireland 1837-1921 describes Doolin’s as a conservative architecture derived from Ashlin. The interiors of his churches “come as a welcome relief due to his determination to create a multi-coloured paradise out of the chancels, relying not only on frescoes, and stained glass but also on mosaics, and wrought iron grilles, painted and decorated”. G. Ashling completed Nenagh in 1910. You might also note that Walter Doolin is also the architect for the parish church in Charleville which explains Oppenheimer’s mosaic work there.
November 12, 2005 at 6:39 pm #767262MacLeinin
ParticipantThanks for that.
Can anyone confirm that the mosaic work in Charleville – that can still be seen – is by Oppenheimer.November 12, 2005 at 6:48 pm #767263Gianlorenzo
Participant:confused: At present the Sedelia has been removed from right hand Sanctuary screen and is now free standing in Sanctuary and a dining chair put in its place.
Can anyone explain who this can happen since the building was listed as a protected structure and is the subject of a Covenant with the Heritage Council
November 12, 2005 at 7:16 pm #767264Peter Parler
ParticipantThanks for the photo, Gianlorenzo. I’d have assumed you were joking about the dining chair!
November 12, 2005 at 7:43 pm #767265Praxiteles
ParticipantThey cannot surely have been so ignorant as to attach that awful piece of metal to the back of one of the sedilia!!
Does the genius who perpretrated this bit of hooliganism not realize that this sedilia is based on the classical faldisterium which was taken by the pro-Consuls on their missions outside of Rome as a symbol of their authority and jurisdiction? Does he not know that the pro-Consuls sat on it to give judgement and that its assumption into Christian usage is just one example of what is now described as “inculturation”?
November 12, 2005 at 7:45 pm #767266Gianlorenzo
ParticipantCan anyone tell me how I post a photograph directly onto the tread? I am having terrible trouble with attachments.
November 12, 2005 at 9:39 pm #767267Gianlorenzo
ParticipantSorry Praxiteles for the incorrect spelling of sedilia on the picture caption!!!
November 12, 2005 at 10:33 pm #767268Gianlorenzo
ParticipantI am still having trouble with attachments. The byte space is too limited. Help
November 12, 2005 at 10:40 pm #767269Neo Goth
ParticipantI suppose hooligans always have a few iron bars to spare … I suppose this is a form of regressive inculturation.
November 12, 2005 at 10:49 pm #767270MacLeinin
ParticipantNeo Goth. Given the etymology of the discription ‘Gothic’ I do believe that it is His Lordship Bishop Magee who should bear that tag rather than your good self
November 12, 2005 at 11:20 pm #767271Neo Goth
ParticipantWe’ve been trying to disavow the Vandals for centuries who’ve been giving us a bad name. It’s easy to spot them though, they usually go around with iron bars and sometimes they try to disguise and hide their iron bars in the most unusal of places.
November 12, 2005 at 11:48 pm #767272Gianlorenzo
ParticipantMore Pictures.
A is the current Sanctuary floor which is to be dug up.
B is the lower chancel floor and altar rails which are to be dug up and stored!!!!
C is a view of the Chancel Arch from the southwest.The vandals are truly among us.
November 13, 2005 at 12:28 am #767273descamps
ParticipantA recent picture of the chancel in St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh.
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