reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- October 10, 2009 at 10:59 pm #773156
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ParticipantErfurt Cathedral
The Choir Stalls. The oak for these 89 stalls was felled in 1329. The stalls are reckoned to date from about 1360-
October 11, 2009 at 4:48 pm #773157gunter
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Erfurth Cathedral:
Gunter! is this what you are looking for?
Perfect 🙂
I could have got the same view myself, but it would have involved climbing to the top of a bungee-jump crane and that was never goin’ to happen.
Erfurt is very interesting from an urban intervention point of view, because apparently there was a serious fire in the 19th century which took out the city block below the building with the red tiled roof and the city authorities decided to use the opportunity to amalgamate two smaller city squares into the one vast square that exists today.
This created a huge space for festivals (and bungee-jump cranes) but the Dom and the other church, with the three little spires, are now a bit lost on the edge of the vast space and they don’t dominate in the way that they must have done originally.
I must try to get more information on this, could be useful when considering the qualities that make for great urban spaces. Probanly a bit OT for this thread.
October 11, 2009 at 6:05 pm #773158Praxiteles
ParticipantErfurt Cathedral
Another important aspect of the Cathedral is its bell peal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QWU1RMH44o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41DaCFo4bmU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOkQeUBOTLg&feature=related
Ah! This is what I was looking for:
October 11, 2009 at 7:36 pm #773159gunter
ParticipantThe Dom was too easy 🙂 what’s ye got on this one?


It’s over the other side of town, don’t have anything on it.
October 11, 2009 at 9:51 pm #773160Praxiteles
ParticipantGunter!
Praxiteles thinks that it might be the Franciscan church which was bombed during the war and only partially restored. If its is, then the chancel -which is roofed – has important medieval galss depicting the passion of Our Lord and the life of St. Francis (the usual Franciscan assimilaton of Christ and St. Francis). It should be near the Grafengasse and is also called the Barfuesserkirche.
The Franciscans made their foundation in Erfurt in 1224. The church was rebuilt inn 1291 and chancel and choir were built in 1316 (the present roofed section).
October 11, 2009 at 10:01 pm #773161Praxiteles
ParticipantThis is what is left of the chancel:
October 11, 2009 at 10:17 pm #773162Praxiteles
ParticipantFranciscan Church in Erfurt:
Here are some plans and elevations of the church. On looking at them, you will notice a well defined rectangle wich was probably the early church of 1291 reflecting the building ordinances of the general Chapter of the order which forbade elaborate design and features such as towers or steeples. The same ordiances were regorously observed in ireland where the rectangular form survived well into the 14th century. This insistence on simplicoty was regarded as necessary for the Franciscan charism of povery.
With the growth of preaching in the 14th century, we find that Franciscan churches expanded. there were two favoured means of doing this: either by breaking down the north wall and adding an extra aisle (shich is what has happened here) or else by adding a huge transept on the south side. Building on the south side of Franciscan churches generally did not lend it self to aisles because the exterior of the church on the south side was usually occupied by a grave yard – roughly where the street is in Erfurt. the same is true of these early Irish foundations.
By the 14th century, especially in Britain and Ireland, it became customary for Franciscan churches to have bell towers sividing the chancel from the nave giving rise to what is now regarded (perhaps not quite so accurately) as typicaly Franciscan church architecture. Later Franciscan churches are readily identifiable by the cebntral bell tower feature. Earlier houses, however, are identifiable by the building of the later bell towers withing the original walls.
October 11, 2009 at 10:30 pm #773163Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Franciscan Church in Erfurt:
An example of the surviving glass from 1235 showing the adoration of the Magi and St Francis receiving the stigmata:
October 12, 2009 at 8:33 am #773164gunter
Participantgunter thinks Praxiteles has access to insider information 🙂
October 12, 2009 at 8:57 am #773165Praxiteles
ParticipantPraxiteles reciprocates Gunter’s suspicions!
October 12, 2009 at 8:33 pm #773166Praxiteles
ParticipantOn the subject of the ground paln of Franciscan churches, here is a typical example Devenish, Co. Fermanagh
(scroll to page 192, figure 39)
October 13, 2009 at 10:42 pm #773167Praxiteles
ParticipantOn the subject of the building regulations for the churches of the Franciscans, the General Constitutions of 1260 laid down the norms and canons tht attempted to express the povrty and humility of St. Francis.
October 14, 2009 at 9:58 pm #773168Praxiteles
ParticipantPassau cathedral
The pulpit.
October 16, 2009 at 2:45 pm #773169Praxiteles
ParticipantThe pulpit in St Francis Xavier in Luzern, Swizerland:
October 16, 2009 at 2:47 pm #773170Praxiteles
ParticipantThe pulpit in St Ignatius in Linz (Austria)
October 16, 2009 at 2:49 pm #773171Praxiteles
Participant<The pulpit in the Jesuitenkirche in Vienna:
October 16, 2009 at 2:51 pm #773172Praxiteles
ParticipantThe pulpit in the Lorenzbasilika in Kempten, germany
October 16, 2009 at 3:56 pm #773173Paul Clerkin
Keymastermore from the Lorenzbasilika in Kempten, germany
http://germany.archiseek.com/bavaria/kempten/st_lorenz_basilika_interior.htmlOctober 16, 2009 at 5:51 pm #773174Praxiteles
ParticipantThe pulpit in St. casimir’s in Krakow, Poland.
October 16, 2009 at 5:57 pm #773175Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Basilica Bożego Ciała (Corpus Christi) in Krakow
The magnificent Rood is still in place
And the pulpit:

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