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  • #772736
    Praxiteles
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    Here is a little item that migh bear exploration:

    http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%A9ologie_de_la_Lumi%C3%A8re

    #772737
    Praxiteles
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    St. Denis

    A fairly comprehensive picture gallery can be found here:

    http://www.gotik-romanik.de/Saint-Denis%20Thumbnails/Thumbnails.html

    #772738
    Praxiteles
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    The disposition of the Choir and sanctuary of St Denis before the Revolution:

    #772739
    Praxiteles
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    From Viollet-le-Duc’s Dictionnaire raisonné a drawing of the morning Altar on which is the famous Suger’s Cross mentioned by Gunter.

    #772740
    Praxiteles
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    The chalice of Suger:

    #772741
    Praxiteles
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    And here we have a translation of Suger’s account of his administration of St Denis. At chapter 32 we can read of the Cross:

    http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/sugar.html

    #772742
    Praxiteles
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    An Bord Pleanala has posted the inspector’s Report in elation to a proposed developemnt opposite St. Peter and Paul’s Church in Cork. The Bord disagreed with the assessment made by the inspector, Martin Durkan:

    http://www.pleanala.ie/casenum/230141.htm

    #772743
    gunter
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    Your Abbot Suger, is an absolutely fascinating character. Clarke describes him as; ”one of the first men of the middle ages whom one can think of in modern terms”.

    On reflection, I’m not sure to what extent it was suggested that Suger knowingly contrived in cutting and pasting various achievements and attributes onto the shoulders of his abbey’s (and France’s) patron saint, but that account (in the introduction), of how the legends of three separate historical figures came to be amalgamated into one formidable ‘St. Denis’, each bringing very useful attributes to the party, does seem to illustrate the accommodating workings of the medieval mind.

    Is it fair to say that Suger had set his sights on achieving great works, architecturally, artistically, politically and religously, and to accomplish great works it helped to have a great story?

    What seems clear from even a brief reading of your links and Clark’s ‘Civilisation’ is that, under the influence of men like Suger, mid 12th century France was a fountainhead of energy and ideas and one of the most enduring of these ideas was Gothic architecture.

    I’m not equiped to debate this subject on theological gounds, and while I don’t doubt that faith and the glorification of God played a part in all of this, it’s the other forces; the mastery of material, the inter-urban competitive dynamic, the sheer will on the part of the tiny community of master-masons to push construction knowledge and craft to the limit, that strike me as possibly the more critical factors in the development and evolution of the movement.

    I don’t know, I could be completely wrong.

    #772744
    Praxiteles
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    @gunter wrote:

    Your Abbot Suger, is an absolutely fascinating character. Clarke describes him as; ”one of the first men of the middle ages whom one can think of in modern terms”.

    On reflection, I’m not sure to what extent it was suggested that Suger knowingly contrived in cutting and pasting various achievements and attributes onto the shoulders of his abbey’s (and France’s) patron saint, but that account (in the introduction), of how the legends of three separate historical figures came to be amalgamated into one formidable ‘St. Denis’, each bringing very useful attributes to the party, does seem to illustrate the accommodating workings of the medieval mind.

    Is it fair to say that Suger had set his sights on achieving great works, architecturally, artistically, politically and religously, and to accomplish great works it helped to have a great story?

    What seems clear from even a brief reading of your links and Clark’s ‘Civilisation’ is that, under the influence of men like Suger, mid 12th century France was a fountainhead of energy and ideas and one of the most enduring of these ideas was Gothic architecture.

    I’m not equiped to debate this subject on theological gounds, and while I don’t doubt that faith and the glorification of God played a part in all of this, it’s the other forces; the mastery of material, the inter-urban competitive dynamic, the sheer will on the part of the tiny community of master-masons to push construction knowledge and craft to the limit, that strike me as possibly the more critical factors in the development and evolution of the movement.

    I don’t know, I could be completely wrong.

    And I think you are completely correct in identifying this element in a complex combination of elements driving the cultural whirlwind of the period.

    #772745
    Praxiteles
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    And here a spectacular rendition of ST Denis:

    #772746
    Praxiteles
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    Zurbaran’s picture of the Proto Martyr of the Carthusians, St John Haughton, will immediately bring to mind the painter’s work at the Hierominian abbey of Guadalupe in Spain and also the series of frecoes in the atrium of the Charter House of San Martino in Naples also depicting the martyrdom of the London Charter House.

    #772747
    Praxiteles
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    Francesco de Zurbaran, the Tepmtations of St Jerome at Guadalupe

    #772748
    Praxiteles
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    Francesco de Zurbaran, The Flagellation of St Jerome

    #772749
    Praxiteles
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    The Real Monasterio de Santa Maria Virgen de Guadalupe in the Extremadura:

    #772750
    Praxiteles
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    The Monasterio de Guadalupe:

    #772751
    Praxiteles
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    The real Monasterio de Santa Maria Virgen de Gudalupe

    #772752
    Praxiteles
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    The Real Monasterio de Santa Maria Vergin de Guadalupe

    #772753
    Praxiteles
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    Francesco de Zurbaran, The Charity of Fra Martin de Viscaya in the sacristy of Guadalupe

    #772754
    Praxiteles
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    Francesco de Zurbaran, The Tepmtation of Fra Diego de Orgaz

    #772755
    Praxiteles
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    Francesco de Zurbaran, portrait of the Sacristan of Guadalupe, Fra Gonzalo de Illescas (1639)

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