reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- December 8, 2008 at 8:58 pm #772276
Paul Clerkin
KeymasterSaw some wonderfully maintained catholic churches in Quebec at the weekend – photos later.
December 8, 2008 at 11:00 pm #772277Praxiteles
ParticipantThese would be very interesting and we look forward to seeing the photographs!!
December 9, 2008 at 2:56 am #772278Paul Clerkin
KeymasterBasilique-Cathédrale Notre-Dame, Quebec City
December 9, 2008 at 3:07 am #772279Paul Clerkin
KeymasterThis is one of the smallest, full-blown churches I’ve been in. It has the standard two-towered, silver painted facade, common in French Canada. I say French Canada rather than Quebec because the French areas of Manitoba also feature this characteristic. But when you view the interior, it seats around 8 across the nave.
The construction of this shrine, which is located in Old Québec, began in 1909. On May 31, 1910 Monsignor Bégin, Archbishop of Québec, performed the official blessing of this new place of worship. Since it has opened its doors, this Catholic chapel has been lead by the Missionnaires du Sacré-Coeur. It was built following the architectural plans of François-Xavier-Berlinguet, and is a replica of the Notre-Dame du Sacré-Coeur chapel in Issoudun, France. Issoudun is the city where the Congrégation des Missionaires de Sacré-Coeur was founded on December 8, 1854, and is as well where the devotion to Notre-Dame du Sacré-Coeur began in 1857.
Several stained-glass windows by Henri Perdriaux have been placed in the church, as well as several marble plaques which were given as ex-votos, objects giving witness to favours received. These plaques completely cover the walls of the nave. T
December 9, 2008 at 8:04 am #772280Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Basilioque-Cathédrale looks magnificent and it is a relief to see that it has not been gutted.
Note the signs of the Franch preaching tradition with the Tribune for the clergy opposite the pulpit. For the sermon, which could last for an hour, the clergy processed to the tribune and sat there while the appointed preacher produced the goods – usually in the style in of J-B Bossuet, Fénelon, Bourdalou and (at the end of that tradition) the Abbé Justin McCarthy.
Can the floor of the Basilique be authentique?
December 9, 2008 at 8:06 am #772281Praxiteles
ParticipantI must say, the door solution is ingenuous. Is this common in Canada?
December 9, 2008 at 12:51 pm #772282Paul Clerkin
KeymasterI haven’t seen it before but they get a lot more snow in Quebec and saw it several times there.
December 9, 2008 at 11:22 pm #772283Praxiteles
ParticipantPraxiteles has seen pictures of a number of 17th and 18th century churches in French Canada and has formed the impression that their historic fabric (especially their interiors) has survived quite well and was spared the gutting that has become all too much the rage on these shores.
December 9, 2008 at 11:32 pm #772284Praxiteles
ParticipantSomething of the range and extent of Francois-Xavier Berlinguet’s oeuvre may be had here:
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran%C3%A7ois-Xavier_Berlinguet
December 9, 2008 at 11:43 pm #772285Praxiteles
ParticipantHere is an interesting article on F-X Berlinguet and the classical movement in Quebec. It is interesting to note the sanctuary arrangements – several of which follow a scheme similar to that used by Br. Michael Augustin O’Riordan in his Cork Churches whose ultimate origin is Palladio and his sanctuary for the Ospedaletto in Venice.
http://www.histoirequebec.qc.ca/publicat/vol1num1/v1n1_4ne.htm
December 10, 2008 at 1:08 am #772286Paul Clerkin
KeymasterMust be the french 😉
This one in Winnipeg has been altered
http://canada.archiseek.com/manitoba/winnipeg/river_heights/stafford_street/st_ignatius4_lge.htmlDecember 10, 2008 at 1:09 am #772287Paul Clerkin
KeymasterMust be the french 😉
This one in Winnipeg has been altered
http://canada.archiseek.com/manitoba/winnipeg/river_heights/stafford_street/st_ignatius4_lge.htmlDecember 10, 2008 at 8:46 pm #772288Praxiteles
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Here are the Austrian Vestments given to Maynooth College in 1879 by the Empress Elizabeth who was stayng at SUmmerhill House nearby on a hunting expeditioin. They were in the College Chapel for all major feats until c. 1950 when a copy set was made and the originals put in the museum.
However, this is only a part of the suite for it also contains a dalmatic, tunicle, cope and humeral veil. The set was made in Vienna on clothe of gold decorated with green shamorck. At the front edge of the chasuble are the Imperial arms of Austria and Lothringen marshelled with WIttelsbach of Bavaria from which house the Empress Elizabeth was born. She was assassinated in Geneva in September 1898.
Some background on the Austrian Vestments in Maynooth College:
December 10, 2008 at 8:53 pm #772289Praxiteles
ParticipantFranz Xaver Winterhalter’s 1865 portrait of the Empress Elizabeth of Austria at the age of 28 (In the Wiener Hofburg):
December 10, 2008 at 9:06 pm #772290Praxiteles
ParticipantThese are the arms of the Empress Elizabeth, together with those of Hungary, which appear on the Maynooth vestments and on the ststue of St. George she gave to the college:
December 10, 2008 at 11:20 pm #772291nebuly
ParticipantWhen I was an ( Anglican ) additional member of the choir of the Catholic Cathedral in Armagh as a schoolboy in the early 1970’s I was shown a stunning series of vestments which, I was told, were the gift of the Empress of Austria and Apostolic Queen of Hungary etc. Was this in fact the case and if so do we know if they still exist? They were very splendid indeed
December 12, 2008 at 10:20 am #772292Praxiteles
ParticipantWith the end of the year approaching, it is perhaps useful to take stock of matters happening at Cobh Urban District Council in relation to Cobh Cathedral. The following is a collation of matters relating to Cobh Cathedral extracted from the Council’s minute book from January to October 2008.
Not surprisingly, we are faced with the thick cloud of unknowing billowing about the ears of that august body which is capable of dumbfounding even Julian of Norwich!
However, after some concentration, a number of things emerge: a clear zeal on the part of the Topwn Clerk and the (Italian) Town Architect in matters concerning the fabric of the Cathedral; an equal zeal to find out what might be going on in the vuilding; a excess when it comes to follow-ups; and clear value for money in public expenditure when it comes to productivity since it only takes the Town Clerk 10 months to come up with an answer to a simple question.
We leave our readers with the extract;
” MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS AT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE COBH TOWN COUNCIL, HELD AT CARRIG HOUSE, COBH, ON MONDAY 14th JANUARY 2008
In relation to the entrance to the Cathedral, the Town Clerk stated that this issue was still outstanding with no update. Correspondence had been drafted and sent from the Town Clerk to the Trustees the week prior to the monthly meeting.
MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS AT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE COBH TOWN COUNCIL, HELD AT CARRIG HOUSE, COBH, ON MONDAY 11th FEBRUARY 2008In relation to the entrance to the Cathedral, the Town Clerk stated that this issue was still outstanding with no update from Professor Cathal O’Neill. Following a query from Cllr. O’Connor, the Town Clerk clarified that there has been no planning application received for this area by the Planning Department.
MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS AT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE COBH TOWN COUNCIL, HELD AT CARRIG HOUSE, COBH, ON MONDAY 10th MARCH 2008
In relation to the entrance to the Cathedral, the Town Clerk stated that this issue was still outstanding with no update from Professor Cathal O’Neill. Following a query from Cllr. O’Connor, the Town Clerk clarified that there has been no planning application received for this area by the Planning Department. The Town Architect was to arrange meeting between Professor O’Neill and the Conservation Officer in Cork County Council regarding this matter.
MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS AT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE COBH TOWN COUNCIL, HELD AT CARRIG HOUSE, COBH, ON MONDAY 14th APRIL 2008
ST COLMAN’S CATHEDRAL The Town Clerk stated that he had received a phone call from the Trustees in relation to the appointment of a new architect. Cllr O’Connor stated that in his view any works carried out at St Colman’s Cathedral would require planning permission.
MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS AT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE COBH TOWN COUNCIL, HELD AT CARRIG HOUSE, COBH, ON MONDAY 12th MAY 2008
Cllr O’Connor also stated that in relation to the minutes of the April meeting, he wanted to amend the minutes to read as follows: Cllr O’Connor stated that under current planning legislation and regulations, any works carried out at St Colman’s Cathedral would require planning permission.
ST COLMAN’S CATHEDRAL The Town Clerk had previously stated that he had received a phone call from the Trustees in relation to the appointment of a new architect. It was agreed that the A/Town Clerk would follow up for an update.
MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS AT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE COBH TOWN COUNCIL, HELD AT CARRIG HOUSE, COBH, ON MONDAY 21st July 2008
ST COLMAN’S CATHEDRAL – Town Clerk met with Architect and informed him that Cobh Town Council would have to be notified of any works beforehand.
MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS AT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE COBH TOWN COUNCIL, HELD AT CARRIG HOUSE, COBH, ON MONDAY 8th SEPTEMBER, 2008
ST COLMAN’S CATHEDRAL – Cllr. O’Connor asked if planning permission had been granted for the recent works in the Cathedral. The Town Clerk stated that he hadn’t been contacted by anyone connected with the Cathedral in connection with the works but that he would ask the Town Architect to investigate.
MINUTES OF PROCEEDINGS AT MONTHLY MEETING OF THE COBH TOWN COUNCIL, HELD AT CARRIG HOUSE, COBH, ON MONDAY 13th OCTOBER, 2008
ST COLMAN’S CATHEDRAL – In response to a query from Cllr O’Connor the Town Clerk stated that stated that the works carried out did not require planning permission.”
December 12, 2008 at 8:38 pm #772293Praxiteles
ParticipantSome photographs of the restored chapel at Seaton Hall:
December 13, 2008 at 11:44 pm #772294Praxiteles
ParticipantInterestingly, despite Cobh Urban Distrct Council’s protestations of not knowing anything much about what is happening at St Coman’s Cathedral, those attending Mass there in these days will tell you that it is a very cold place because of all the holes in the north door of the west facade since the strapwork was taken off the door for “repairs”. Has anyone told the Urban District Council about that, one wonders?
December 14, 2008 at 10:54 am #772295Praxiteles
ParticipantSome interesting news to report from the beautiful Greek Revival church of St. Francis Xavier in Hereford.
Having survived the iconoclasm, it was was given new sanctuary, of the island type, very similar to what one expects to find in certain types of American kitchens. Well, it appears that the island has disappeared and the church has reverted to its original plan and seems to be functioning away without detriment to the practice of Catholic worship.
Here are some pictures:
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