reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- June 26, 2008 at 6:51 pm #771735
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ParticipantOn the subject of glass by Harry Claeke, I forgot to mention that there is quite an extensive series of windows in St. Joseph’s Church Terenure, Dublin and another one in Carrigmacross parish church.
June 29, 2008 at 11:54 am #771736Praxiteles
ParticipantJust got hold of the Four Courts Press recent publication of the papers of the 2005 conference on the Gothic revival and must congratulate all the contributors. There is paper on the Pierces of Wexford which is particularly interesting and very illuminating as to the development of the Pugin idiom throughout Co. Wexford by Pierce.
June 29, 2008 at 8:34 pm #771737Praxiteles
ParticipantTo returen to the tradition of dressing churches for festive occsions or for the liturgical seasons, here is a view of the High Altar of St Peter’s in Rome decorated for the today’s feast of Sts Peter and Paul.
June 29, 2008 at 8:36 pm #771738Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd a close up of one of the reliquaries (this one of St Paul) placed on the Altar.
June 30, 2008 at 5:18 am #771739Rhabanus
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
To returen to the tradition of dressing churches for festive occsions or for the liturgical seasons, here is a view of the High Altar of St Peter’s in Rome decorated for the today’s feast of Sts Peter and Paul.
Note the new pallium being worn by the Pope. A return to the western form of the vestment. I detect the hermeneutic of continuity once again.
June 30, 2008 at 9:28 am #771740Radioactiveman
ParticipantCan anybody hazard a guess as to where this is? I’ve got no information other than the image. Long shot I know.
June 30, 2008 at 10:44 am #771741Praxiteles
ParticipantIf I am not mistaken, this is the North Cathedral in Cork and is an excellent shot of the sanctuary before Boyd Barret wrecked it in 1962. It shows the reredos installed by the Pain Brothers in 1827 along with all of the statutes of teh 12 Apostles by Hogan – these were recently “rediscovered” during the last round of wreckage carried out by Richard Hurley who even went so far as to strip the [aint work from the pillars supporting the 1827 Pain Brothers ceiling.
In another picture of the interior posted here some time ago, the large crucifix on the left was also visible. It was placed -follwoing the French tradition- opposite the pulpit. The arrangement can be clearly seen today in the church of St Sulpice in Paris for example. Also under teh crucifix is (if I am not wrong) that of Saint Anne – joint patron of the Cathedral.
June 30, 2008 at 8:07 pm #771742Praxiteles
ParticipantSome views of St. Paul’s Basilica in Rome showing the baldachino and the apse mosaic
June 30, 2008 at 8:08 pm #771743Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd the apse mosaic:
July 2, 2008 at 12:40 pm #771744ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Ake!
of Munich and display several of the typical historicizing vignettes to which Ake has alert our attention.Looking at the manner in which the stencilling abruptly ends when it reaches the nave walls, I am inclined to think that underneath the modern paint scheme one is likely to find further stencilling. The present contrast between the nave and sanctuary is far to abrupt to suggest that it is an original feature.
but how would this come about? why would they leave the decoration in the sanctuary intact?
July 3, 2008 at 7:50 pm #771745Praxiteles
Participant@ake wrote:
but how would this come about?
The famous question asked at the beginning of St. Luke’s infancy narrative! the only answer I can give is MYSTERY. It is sometimes a very misleading to assume the rational!!
July 3, 2008 at 10:38 pm #771746james1852
Participant@ake wrote:
but how would this come about? why would they leave the decoration in the sanctuary intact?
This was actually quite a common practice unfortunatly, and there are many examples like this throughout the country. When churches decided to obliterate the ornate stencilwork of the 19th and early 20th century, some luckily retained the decoration in the sanctuary area either on the ceiling or walls. This may have been done as a concession to those who opposed the plain painting of the church or it may have been done for monetry reasons when the cost of complete redecoration may have been prohibitive.
July 4, 2008 at 6:11 pm #771747Praxiteles
ParticipantMystery resolved
July 5, 2008 at 12:10 pm #771748Praxiteles
ParticipantWell, it looks as though Cork City Council has obliged Bank of Ireland with permission to build a glass box opposite St. Peter and PAul’s in the City Centre. This will be an interesting one and another example of a glass box being erected in the siting of a primary protected structure in Cork. The other being next door to St. MAry’s Pope’s Quay.
July 5, 2008 at 1:11 pm #771749ake
Participantany graphics of that?
July 7, 2008 at 11:10 am #771750Praxiteles
ParticipantThe file is available on the Cork City Council web page along with plans etc.
July 7, 2008 at 3:52 pm #771751Paul Clerkin
KeymasterHoly Cross before restoration.
The Building News, Dec.18th. 1891
Drawn by Samuel P. Close A.R.I.A.I. ArchitectJuly 8, 2008 at 11:09 am #771752Praxiteles
ParticipantWhat a very interesting posting on Holy Cross abbey.
July 8, 2008 at 5:11 pm #771753Praxiteles
ParticipantIn Four Courts Press recent book on the Gothis Revival in Ireland there is an very interesting article on the development of St. Peter’s Phibsborough written by Chhristine Casey. It gives a fairly in depth account of the long building history of the church together with the architects involved: the early quasi unknown architect of the first Gothic church, Goldie, and Ashlin and Colman. Curprisingly, her iconography is a little shakey here and there: e.g. the refernce to the Tiara and Crossed Keys which should have been surprising in a church dedicated to St. Peter since both represent papal authority conveyed to St Peter by Christ and transmitted to his successors (which might have ad a conpemporary baring on matters in the 19th century given the position of the papacy in the Piemontine state subsequent to 1870). Also, a reference to an “Altare Priviligatum” expresses no particular connection with the Holy See since the “priviligatum” attached to Masses said at that altar which attracted (under certain coircumstances) an indulgence applicaple to the faithful departed. Such purgatorial priviliges were widespread.
July 9, 2008 at 12:54 pm #771754 - AuthorPosts
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