reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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Apparently the crumbling plasterwork has got much worse at St.Colmans and sections of the seating are now cordoned off. Extra masses have been put in place for this evening and tomorrow due to the reduced seating capacity.
We said it would happen if nothing was done and it looks like it now has…anyone know anymore..?
Would think they certainly do. Should know more later this eve on whats going on it there…. would think all those fellas that got fees…. are having a comfortable night this evening and un-restricted use of their homes…..
News from Cobh tonight is not good as far as St. Colman’s Cathedral is concerened.
After months of warnings about the state and condition f the building due to lack of mantenance and a complete lack of concern on the part of the Cathedral Restoration Fund and the Town Council, the inevitable happened – part of the groining of the South Aisle collapsed and hit someone. This was an accident waiting to happen.
Most of the South side of the Cathedral has been cordoned off and is no longer accessible to the public.
Less than half of the Cathedral seating capacity can now be used at one of the busiest times of the year. The only solution has been to put on extra masses.
When the dust -literally – settles on this one, a number of people will just have to walk the plank. There are clear issues of negligence at stake here in allowing the general public to be exposed to such danger for so long and not to take any kind of action.
Another thing that has to be borne in mind: this latest should not in any way distract from the usual planning process and that that the negligent will not now use this latest twist to evade the law on planning.
Over the psat number of months, the FOSCC has offered every possible help to speed up the planning process by ironing out difficulties before the planning application was made. The Steering Committee has consistently refused to talk to the FOSCC about Cathedral repairs. If further delays now arise because of inadequate plans or because of furter destructive plans, the FOSCC will not be to blame and the Town Council and Health and Safety Inspectorate should seek to close the building pending the carrying out of proper repairs.
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Still no maintenance being done at St.Colemans.
Plaster still crumbling…I was at a funeral there recently and whole row in front of me sat down as one does… when they next stood up
the whole row had white backsides from plaster in the seats.The Bishop better watch out….soon he’ll be getting claims for laundry expenses.
Just a matter of time before some wedding guests in their finery…..walk out with white backsides….
you have been warned…..
This I posted last May…… he’ll be lucky now if he is not sued …. 😡
The great parish church in Tramore, Co. Waterford, by J.J. McCarthy; dedicated 1860, the spire was completed by 1871. The west front; austere, rather Cistercian;
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In the second picture you can see the awful mess on the east exterior.
Of course the interior has been completely and utterly sacked.
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A vicious, savage assault. Here you can see the igloo furniture in the crossing.
And the sanctuary cum second nave;
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The church is more similar to the Wexford (Pugin et al) churches across the Suir, than most other churches in East Waterford. You can see the similar, lovely silver granite columns above. Pretty much every decorative feature has been removed or spoiled, with the exception of the remarkable stained glass, a very complete collection, with every window holding very fine glass, even the windows high up in the clerestory. At least some of it is by Mayers of Munich, I don’t know how much;
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[ATTACH]6587[/ATTACH][ATTACH]6592[/ATTACH]Even the clerestory glass is high quality;
[ATTACH]6593[/ATTACH]There’s a large picture of the great chancel window here;
http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=2136087326&size=o&context=set-72157603540637470If any one could post a picture of the interior before the wreckage it would be greatly appreciated.
Unfortunately, Tramore was one of the first victims of the savage iconoclasm of the early 1970s. No doubt, instigated by some local liturgical guru.
The Tramore ceiling is quite spectacular but the colour scheme is awful in the extreme. Just who does this sort of work?
Yes it’s a really beautiful design. Any idea if there’s a before pic floating around somewhere?
Also, what on earth is going on in Cobh?
Anger at developer’s plan for church
http://www.thepost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=29176-qqqx=1.asp@ake wrote:
Yes it’s a really beautiful design. Any idea if there’s a before pic floating around somewhere?
Also, what on earth is going on in Cobh?
Among other things, there is word that a miscalculation with the new drainage system put in by the Cathedral Restoration Fund is not working as planned. And instead of taking thewater off of the cathedral and away from the site, it has simply been drained into the ground surrounding the cathedral. However, the genius who planned this scheme overlooked one not exactly irrelevant point: thecatgedral is built on an artificial platform. Draining excesswater into it has had theeffect of water logging the entire site which has now apparently caused the foundationds of the building to slip. This may explain a mystery that has been discussed a number of times at the Cobh Urban District Council: large cracks appearing in thr retention wall of the cathedral platform. Word has it that a million will be nbrrdrd to fix it.
Heads should roll immediately…… the waste of money is just beyond belief….and the only benefactors seem have been consultants and legal fees….
Meanwhile the whole structure is in jeopardy…..
It should be taken completely out of the hands of the Bishop and his merry men…. it is too serious to be let to them one more minute.BTW Basic first year lectures given to civil engineers know about messing with draining
“Foundation settlement and/or upheaval – Poor drainage can result in wetting of the foundation bearing soils, which then consolidate under the weight of the foundation as the moisture leaves the soil. This is especially evident if the foundation (or a portion thereof) was placed on fill material. 100 year old homes with no history of movement suddenly settle after the drainage was changed, so the “test of time” only applies when environmental conditions are consistent. In some cases the simple condition of a blocked roof downspout can trigger a dorment condition”
The Bishop and his Muppets should be made pay the remedial works without delay:mad:
Over the past several years, the situation in Cobh has shifted from reprehensible to heinous to parlous to actionable to utterly hazardous. Once again IS THERE NO ACCOUNTABILITY?
@samuel j wrote:
Heads should roll immediately…… the waste of money is just beyond belief….and the only benefactors seem have been consultants and legal fees….
Meanwhile the whole structure is in jeopardy…..
It should be taken completely out of the hands of the Bishop and his merry men…. it is too serious to be let to them one more minute.BTW Basic first year lectures given to civil engineers know about messing with draining
“Foundation settlement and/or upheaval – Poor drainage can result in wetting of the foundation bearing soils, which then consolidate under the weight of the foundation as the moisture leaves the soil. This is especially evident if the foundation (or a portion thereof) was placed on fill material. 100 year old homes with no history of movement suddenly settle after the drainage was changed, so the “test of time” only applies when environmental conditions are consistent. In some cases the simple condition of a blocked roof downspout can trigger a dorment condition”
The Bishop and his Muppets should be made pay the remedial works without delay:mad:
The rolling of heads is only the first stage of a much greater plan needed to secure St Colman’s Cathedral. To date, the FOSCC is the only institution over there trying to salvage a glorious monument of faith and the spiritual home of a faithful flock.
Faced with the distinct possibility of the collapse of St Colman’s Cathdral, higher ecclesiastical authorites may take an interest, not to mention the civil authorities.
At what point does malfeasance metamorphose into misfeasance?
And kudos to the Latin Mass Society of Ireland for taking the higher moral ground in refusing utterly to celebrate the Sacrifice of the Mass over a swimming pool in the quondam church of the Jesuits.
Honestly, what did the new owner think was going to be the reaction on the part of Christians and other civilised people?
Here’s a nice little surprise; Ferrybank parish church, on the north side of the river Suir in Waterford City;
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A couple more pictures here; http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157603540601172/
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Here’s a nice little surprise; Ferrybank parish church, on the north side of the river Suir in Waterford City;
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A couple more pictures here; http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157603540601172/
Very nice and still elatively intact.
@ake wrote:
Here’s a nice little surprise; Ferrybank parish church, on the north side of the river Suir in Waterford City;
You can read an excellent, detailed history of it here;http://www.ferrybankparish.com/history/index.htm[attach]6602[/attach][attach]6603[/attach]
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A couple more pictures here; http://www.flickr.com/photos/58086761@N00/sets/72157603540601172/
What, may I ask, is the projection screen doing between the chair and the reredos?
Slideshow? Saturday Night at the Movies? Hymnsing without Hymnals Or: Follow the Bouncing Ball? Hymnenanny for Hootenunnies [A Ray Repp confection from the swingin’ sixties]?
The thing looks out of place in such an elegant building.
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