reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- November 14, 2007 at 7:16 pm #770734
Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd the third Rubens in Antwerp Cathedral: the Assumption of Our Lady painted 1619-1625 over the High Altar.
November 15, 2007 at 5:41 pm #770735Praxiteles
ParticipantWell, here we are the mystery is resolved: St. Andrew’s Westland Row before th hackers got at it.
Notice that the Tbernacle on the High Altar has beenreduced in size thereby casuing a disproportion with respect tot he Altar Piece hanging over it. This kind of tomfoolery is reminiscent of the great Professor O’Neill’s hacking of Turnarelli’s High Altar in the Pro-Cathedral.
It has also entirely lost the tabernacle from the right altar and possibly the mensa of the altar itself.
The double railing is also gone.
The Stations of the Cross have been shorn of their crosses.
November 15, 2007 at 6:07 pm #770736Rhabanus
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Well, here we are the mystery is resolved: St. Andrew’s Westland Row before th hackers got at it.
Notice that the Tbernacle on the High Altar has beenreduced in size thereby casuing a disproportion with respect tot he Altar Piece hanging over it. This kind of tomfoolery is reminiscent of the great Professor O’Neill’s hacking of Turnarelli’s High Altar in the Pro-Cathedral.
It has also entirely lost the tabernacle from the right altar and possibly the mensa of the altar itself.
The double railing is also gone.
The Stations of the Cross have been shorn of their crosses.
A real pity that this church of St Andrew has been so horribly stripped of its quondam glory.
The repacement of the big tabernacle with a smaller version was a bitter miscalculation. Who turned these charlatans loose on an unsuspecting Ireland?Too ironic about the Stations of the Cross: the only required part of the Stations is the actual crosses!! The rest is all ‘window-dressing’ as it were, at least in terms of the correct, liturgical erection of the Stations of the Cross. More idiocy from the liturgical “experts” and know-alls who charge oscene fees for their “consultations” and even more filthy lucre for their assaults on the sacred.
It makes one burst into laughter when these donkeys braying on their bagpipes whinge about Benedict XVI not having been trained as a ‘liturgist.’ In that lies his salvation. He was raised a Catholic, not a ‘liturgist.’
November 15, 2007 at 6:31 pm #770737ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Well, here we are the mystery is resolved: St. Andrew’s Westland Row before th hackers got at it.
Notice that the Tbernacle on the High Altar has beenreduced in size thereby casuing a disproportion with respect tot he Altar Piece hanging over it. This kind of tomfoolery is reminiscent of the great Professor O’Neill’s hacking of Turnarelli’s High Altar in the Pro-Cathedral.
It has also entirely lost the tabernacle from the right altar and possibly the mensa of the altar itself.
The double railing is also gone.
The Stations of the Cross have been shorn of their crosses.
What on earth put into their ignorant heads the notion that they could just remove the altar rails. Just pull them out!
November 15, 2007 at 6:53 pm #770738Praxiteles
ParticipantA good question!
I think the double rail still survives in St Audeon’s.
November 15, 2007 at 7:12 pm #770739ake
ParticipantNo, just a single rail in St.Audeon’s. In St.Nicholas of Myra, a few streets away the double railing survives.
November 15, 2007 at 8:06 pm #770740Praxiteles
ParticipantThe facade of St Andrew’s Westland Row with the statue of St. Andrew
November 15, 2007 at 9:06 pm #770741Praxiteles
ParticipantHere is a better picture of the statue on St. Andrew’s, Westland Row, by J. Smyth (1835)..
November 16, 2007 at 11:03 am #770742Praxiteles
ParticipantHere is the probable source for this statue: Francois Duquesnoy’s St Andrew in St Peter’s Basilica in Rome c. 1650.
November 16, 2007 at 11:17 pm #770743ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Here is a picture of the interior of the Chapel at Loreto Abbey, Rathfarnham, Co. Dublin. It was built in 1839 to specifications by Patrick Byrne who had consulted A.W.N. Pugin on the design of the chapel. The High Altar encases a pietàby John Hogan and is flanked by two angels also by Hogan. Does anyone have any idea as to it present condition – if for no other reason than the fact that Mother Teresa of Calcutta began her religious life here in 1928.
Is this place still in use or has it been deconsecrated? I do hope somebody will be on hand to salvage the Hogan sculptures if the chapel should be turned into pub or a trendy cafe or a badminton stadium.
November 17, 2007 at 1:01 am #770744Gianlorenzo
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“The repacement of the big tabernacle with a smaller version was a bitter miscalculation. Who turned these charlatans loose on an unsuspecting Ireland?”The thinking goes something like this. God must deminish, that Man may be elevated !!!!
November 17, 2007 at 5:59 pm #770745Praxiteles
Participant@ake wrote:
Is this place still in use or has it been deconsecrated? I do hope somebody will be on hand to salvage the Hogan sculptures if the chapel should be turned into pub or a trendy cafe or a badminton stadium.
A good question!
November 17, 2007 at 6:02 pm #770746Praxiteles
Participant@ake wrote:
Is this place still in use or has it been deconsecrated? I do hope somebody will be on hand to salvage the Hogan sculptures if the chapel should be turned into pub or a trendy cafe or a badminton stadium.
Try this for starters:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2005/01/23/story1695.asp
and this:
November 17, 2007 at 6:21 pm #770747Praxiteles
ParticipantSome views of Loreto Abbey, Rathfarnham
November 17, 2007 at 7:02 pm #770748djasmith
Participant@ake wrote:
Clonmel. You can see the font, and see where it’s placed, right beside the altar. Can’t remember the name of this church.
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Lovely church, with great decoration in the sanctuary.
Is this by any chance a JJ Mc carthy church?? I think there’s one of his above just the interior of this church looks very much like one of his works…
His most amazing work in my opinion is my own Mount Argus church and Monastry in Harolds cross. I’ve a few pictures to stick up if people are interested…
November 17, 2007 at 7:09 pm #770749Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Church of St. Nicholas in Carrig-on-Suir is by George C. Ashlin and dates from c. 1860. J. Williams describes it as “his ealiest and purest essay in Italian Romanesque”. JJ McCarthy was the architect for Thurles Cathedral, also in the Italianate idiom and based directly on Pisa.
Do please post the photos of Mount Argus!
November 17, 2007 at 9:34 pm #770750ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Try this for starters:
http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2005/01/23/story1695.asp
and this:
It says there a preservation order has been placed on the buildings. Whether that means anything however…
On that topic, do you know of any link to info on the conversion of St.Mary’s church of Ireland in Dublin city centre which was so outrageously made into a restaurant pub. Also a before picture of the interior of that church would be great. I’m almost sure there was one in McParland’s Public Architecture in Ireland. Maybe anyone who has access to it could scan in the photograph? Please?
November 17, 2007 at 11:04 pm #770751Praxiteles
ParticipantIs this theone you are looking for? It is by WIlliam Robinson and was begun in 1700.
This photograph was taken at a time when the church was being used by the Greek Orthodox community in Dublin. The only modifications they made to the interior was the erection of a temperorary iconostasis which is necessary for the celebration of Mass in the Byzantine Rite. It screens off the sanctuary -so much for the validity of the gaukers theory that everyone must see everthing that goes on during the celebration of the sacraments. I had heard taht they were moved out of the church although they may have wanted to buy it. Does any one know what went on here.
November 17, 2007 at 11:21 pm #770752Praxiteles
ParticipantThis is where the Greek Orthodox are gone: to a former National School in Arbour Hill.
http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/northcity/arbour_hill/greek_orthodox.html
Obviously, there was some great brain power at work here -move them out of St. Mary’s so taht it could no longer have a rekigious use into a former national school for which other alternative use could be found. meanwhile, St Mary’s is gutted!
November 18, 2007 at 10:06 am #770753ake
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
Is this theone you are looking for? It is by WIlliam Robinson and was begun in 1700.
This photograph was taken at a time when the church was being used by the Greek Orthodox community in Dublin. The only modifications they made to the interior was the erection of a temperorary iconostasis which is necessary for the celebration of Mass in the Byzantine Rite. It screens off the sanctuary -so much for the validity of the gaukers theory that everyone must see everthing that goes on during the celebration of the sacraments. I had heard taht they were moved out of the church although they may have wanted to buy it. Does any one know what went on here.
Yes! Thanks! What a tragic loss.
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