reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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Hre is another Irish example. It is G.C. Ashlin’s narthex for St. MAry’s Church at Mallow, Co. Cork. The Baptistery is on the left -unfortunately, it has been denuded of its font which is rambling somewhere around the church interior.
Both of these Irish examples derive from the Baptistery in Pisa which is circular and to which Praxiteles hopes to come to-morrow.
AS far as Praxiteles is aware, the Baptistery at Thurles is as close that we came to an external Baptistery. Again, the Green Guard did their vandalism here and the Baptistery is now located somewhere neart the altar of Thurles Cathedral -which makes absolutely no theological sense and lacks all historical precedent. This arrangement, much pushed in American circles at present, is merely a piece of theatrical posturing with seating for the gawkers. Also curious in Thurles (again taken brought home by some cleric who has obviously spent too many summer holidays in the US) is the gaudy display of the Holy Oils for the scoffing multitude. Again, a completely unreligious attitude to the elements used for the administration of the Sacrament of Baptism. Now that the cultural liturgical revolution is coming to an end, it might be perhapse a good idea to send some of these characters to Etchmiadzin where they might be re-educated in a proper religious attitude to elements used in Sacrament of Baptism. The Armenian Patriarch still has a very acute sense of the sacredness of these things which might do the people in Thurles some good!
They don’t know anything about liturgy, or care I’m sure. I doubt half of these modernist clergymen can pronounce transubstantiation. I think you’re right about the baptistry being unique. A pity it’s locked.
For the reeducation of the recently decommissioned Green Guard here are some links to how the Armenians approache the matter of Holy Oil:
@Praxiteles wrote:
Ake!
Hre is another Irish example. It is G.C. Ashlin’s narthex for St. MAry’s Church at Mallow, Co. Cork. The Baptistery is on the left -unfortunately, it has been denuded of its font which is rambling somewhere around the church interior.
Wow. Beautiful. Any interior shot?
@ake wrote:
They don’t know anything about liturgy, or care I’m sure. I doubt half of these modernist clergymen can pronounce transubstantiation. I think you’re right about the baptistry being unique. A pity it’s locked.
What I would like to know is what the Conservation officer for Tipperary County Council (South Riding) is doing about this. Is he/she as over-holidayed as his/her counterparts in Cork?
The baptistery at Pisa
The present Baptistery at Pisa was built to replace an earlier one bewteen 1153 and 1363. The lower ranges of the building are romanesque while the upper ones are Gothic.
The Pisa baptistery is circular enclosing a floor plan laid out as an octagon in whioch is situated a large octagonal font from c. 1250.
Pisa is the largest Bsptistery in Italy.
The baptistery of St John at Pistoia
An octagon, built by Andrea Pisano 1333-1355.
The Baptistery of St. John at Parma
An octagon built by Benedetto Antelami in 1196.
The interior is covered in frescoes from 13th and 14th centuries. the most striking internal feature is the painted ceiling of 16 panels.
The Baptistery of St. John at Cremona.
Again, an octagonal structure begun in 1167 with additions in the 16th century.
The Baptismal Font was installed in 1520-1531 to designs by Lorenzo Trotti
The Romanesque Baptistery of St. John, rebuilt in the 12 century, at Ascoli Piceno.
The Baptistery is an octagon rsing from a square and is located on the north side of the Cathedral of St. Emidio
An article on Baptisteries in Christian North Africa:
http://people.vanderbilt.edu/~james.p.burns/chroma/baptism/jensbapt.html
Unfortunately, Milan’s octagonal Baptistery, San Giovanni in Fonte, has disappeared but its remains were exceavted in 1961 while building the Milan underground. More is the pity that it has disappeared for it was here that St. Ambrose, bishop of Milan, received St. Augustine into the church and baptized and confirmed him during the Easter vigil of 387
http://www.30giorni.it/us/articolo.asp?id=3552
And here, the verses written by Ambrose that decorated the entableture of the Milanese Baptostery:
OCTACHORVM SANCTOS TEMPLVM SVRREXIT IN VSVS
OCTAGONVS FONS EST MVNERE DIGNVS EO
HOC NVMERO DECVIT SACRI BAPTISMATIS AVLAM
SVRGERE QVO POPVLIS VERA SALVS REDIIT
LVCE RESVRGENTIS CHRISTI QVI CLAVSTRA RESOLVIT
MORTIS ET E TVMVLIS SVSCITAT EXANIMES
CONFESSOSQVE REOS MACVLOSO CRIMINE SOLVENS
FONTIS PVRIFLVI DILVIT INRIGVO
HIC QVICVMQVE VOLVNT PROBROSA[E] CRIMINA VITAE
PONERE CORDA LAVENT PECTORA MVNDA GERANT
HVC VENIANT ALACRES QVAMVIS TENEBROSVS ADIRE
AVDEAT ABSCEDET CANDIDIOR NIVIBVS
HVC SANCTI PROPERENT NON EXPERS VLLVS AQVARVM
SANCTVS IN HIS REGNVM EST CONSILIVMQVE DEI
GLORIA IVSTITIAE NAM QVID DIVINIVS ISTO
VT PVNCTO EXIGVO CVLPA CADAT POPVLI[The temple of eight niches rises for sacred uses,
the octagonal font is worthy of this gift.
It was right that on this number the hall of sacred baptism
should rise whereby true salvation has been given back to people
in the light of Christ resurgent, he who opens the prison
of death and wakes the lifeless from the tomb,
and, freeing from the stain of sin those who confess their guilt,
washes them in the current of the pure-flowing font.
Here all those who want to abandon the guilts of a vile life
Let them wash their hearts, safeguard a clean mind.
Let them come prompt here: and though benighted, who approach
do dare, will leave whiter than the snow.
Here hasten the saints: of these waters ignorant
there is no saint, in them is the kingdom and design of God.
O glory of justice! For what is more divine than this
that in a brief instant the guilt of a people crumble?]The Baptistery of San Giovanni in Fonte in Naples.
Built c. 360 as an external baptistery for the Constantinian Basilica of Santa Restituta, the Baptistery was incorporated into the present Cathedral by Cahrles of Anjou c. 1250.
http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battistero_di_San_Giovanni_in_Fonte
@Praxiteles wrote:
Both of these Irish examples derive from the Baptistery in Pisa which is circular and to whih Praxiteles hopes to come to-morrow.
Rhabanus commends the exploration of the baptisteries.
Note that in Florence and Ravenna and elsewhere, as at Rome, the baptisteries are octagonal, reflective of the new creation that is Christian baptism. The number of humans on Noah’s ark was 8: Noah, Mrs N., Shem, Ham, and Jepeth with their respective wives. Seven is the Hebrew number of completion (the 7 days of Creation – 6 days of work + one of rest), but eight represents a new beginning. Hence the significance of the Easter Octave. Each day of the Easter Octave is as much Easter as Easter Sunday itself. Therefore they are named Easter Monday, Easter Tuesday, etc. until the Second Sunday of the Easter Octave or Dominica in albis, when the neophytes would put off their white baptismal robes.
The celebration of Easter Monday in Catholic countries and regions is the last vestige of the cultural observance of the Easter Octave.
Pentecost used to have an octave, culminating in Trinity Sunday, but Annibale Bugnini nixed it to the dismay of Pope Paul VI. Some maintain that this was “the beginning of the end” for Bugnini, who ended his days plucking his lyre on the banks of the rivers of Babylon (modern-day Baghdad). The name Whitweek, or Whitsuntide stood for this now-defunct octave. The term Whitmonday is still in use in some English-speaking places and in many Catholic regions still is observed, like Easter Monday, as a civil holiday.
The Christmas Octave is really a defective octave because of the peculiar dynamics of having to observe the feastdays of various saints in the Mass and Office of the days between 25 December and 1 January (St Stephen the protomartyr (26), St John the Evangelist (27), Holy Innocents (28), St Thomas Becket (29), St Silverster (31), not to mention Holy Family Sunday (first Sunday after 25 Dec).
The eight-sided baptistery is a powerful statement of Christian faith and an eloquent attestation to the new creation in grace inaugurated by the Lord Jesus Christ in the Paschal Mystery, particularly His glorious Resurrection from the dead.
The Baptistery of the Cathedral of Santa Maria Assunta on the Island of Torcello in the Venetian Lagoon.
The Cathedral of Torcello is one of the oldest and most important religious sites in the Corth of Italy. It was originally built by the Ravanese Exarchate of the Byzantine Emperor c. 650 and consists of three buildings: the Cathedral of Santa Marria Assunta; the Baptistery of San Giovanni; and the Church of Santa Fosca. All three buildings were linked by an external hexagonal portico. The Torcello complex is one of the great achievements of the Venetian-Byzantine stile. A campanile was added in the eleventh century.
While Torcello was originally one of the most important islands in the Venetian lagoon, it has suffered an inexorable decline and is to-day inhabited by only 60 people. Of the original complex, the cathedral and Santa Fosca and the Portico survive. The hexagonal baptistery, situated immediately in fron of the main facade of the cathedral is, unfortunately, in ruins.
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