reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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The South window at Buttevant:
The stormglazing on the outside completely obscures the tracery. From the inside, the verticle bars of the stormglazing create visual chaos for the window’s tracery.
At Worcester, the combination for the lights is two laterals of three lights and a central bay of two lights surmounted by a rose.
At Buttevant, teh South windlw consists of three bays of two lights surmounted by a rose. The glazing is taht of Richard Brash of 1855.
The west window at Edington Priory.
Sorry to interrupt the tour of English perpendicular Gothic but a NEWS FLASH form Cobh:
After months of stillness, the Trustees of Cobh Cathedral, headed up by the bold bishop, are back on the attack on St. Colman’s Cathedral.
Work of the top secret operation got out as a result of rumblings at the last meeting of the Cobh Town Council. Under a bit of pressure, the trusty Town Clerk, P. Lynch, admitted he he had received correspondence from the Trustees that the great Professor O’Neill was back on the job and is preparing a new plan for Cobh Cathedral.
The FOSCC swung immediately into action and slapped a freedom of information act on P. Lynch about correspondence from the Trustees re further plans for the Cathedral. Word in town has it that P. Lynch has confirmed to the FOSCC that O’Neill is indeed working on more plans for the interior of Cobh Cathedral and, that McCutcheon Mulcahy are still acting as planning consultants for Magee.
It seems that Magee and his pals are not getting the message and fail to accept last year’s decision by An Bord Pleanala.
Rumour has it that McCutcheon Mulachy have been trying to get this latest past Cobh Town Council by a section 59 Declaration. Over the past few months, several Parish Priests have been busy laying the ground for this by initiating a whole series of works to protected structures throughout County Cork without any reference to the planning authority. Indeed, all sorts of things have happened, including demolitions of protected structures, in an effort to undermine an Bord Pleanala.
However, neither McCutcheon Mulcahy nor the great Professor O’Neill seem to have learne a lesson from the last hammering doled out to them by the FOSCC. That is truly a pity. If it becomes necessary, the FOSCC are likely to dole out an even more severe clouting to these two brazen things.
As for Cobh Town Council, well we shall see whether they are going to be a bit more responsible and a good bit more honest in their dealings with the people of Cobh this time around! After all, they still owe 110 people Euro 20 each for submissions they did not bothered to read – that is generally called fraud! When it comes to putting in objections to any of the great Professor’s objectionable plans, these people should DEMAND that their second round of objections be ADMITTED FREE OF CHARGE in compensation for the dishonesty of the Town Council.
@descamps wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the tour of English perpendicular Gothic but a NEWS FLASH form Cobh:
After months of stillness, the Trustees of Cobh Cathedral, headed up by the bold bishop, are back on the attack on St. Colman’s Cathedral.
Work of the top secret operation got out as a result of rumblings at the last meeting of the Cobh Town Council. Under a bit of pressure, the trusty Town Clerk, P. Lynch, admitted he he had received correspondence from the Trustees that the great Professor O’Neill was back on the job and is preparing a new plan for Cobh Cathedral.
The FOSCC swung immediately into action and slapped a freedom of information act on P. Lynch about correspondence from the Trustees re further plans for the Cathedral. Word in town has it that P. Lynch has confirmed to the FOSCC that O’Neill is indeed working on more plans for the interior of Cobh Cathedral and, that McCutcheon Mulcahy are still acting as planning consultants for Magee.
It seems that Magee and his pals are not getting the message and fail to accept last year’s decision by An Bord Pleanala.
Rumour has it that McCutcheon Mulachy have been trying to get this latest past Cobh Town Council by a section 59 Declaration. Over the past few months, several Parish Priests have been busy laying the ground for this by initiating a whole series of works to protected structures throughout County Cork without any reference to the planning authority. Indeed, all sorts of things have happened, including demolitions of protected structures, in an effort to undermine an Bord Pleanala.
However, neither McCutcheon Mulcahy nor the great Professor O’Neill seem to have learne a lesson from the last hammering doled out to them by the FOSCC. That is truly a pity. If it becomes necessary, the FOSCC are likely to dole out an even more severe clouting to these two brazen things.
As for Cobh Town Council, well we shall see whether they are going to be a bit more responsible and a good bit more honest in their dealings with the people of Cobh this time around! After all, they still owe 110 people Euro 20 each for submissions they did not bothered to read – that is generally called fraud! When it comes to putting in objections to any of the great Professor’s objectionable plans, these people should DEMAND that their second round of objections be ADMITTED FREE OF CHARGE in compensation for the dishonesty of the Town Council.
any documentary evidence of this?
i want to do a piece on archiseek@descamps wrote:
Sorry to interrupt the tour of English perpendicular Gothic but a NEWS FLASH form Cobh:
After months of stillness, the Trustees of Cobh Cathedral, headed up by the bold bishop, are back on the attack on St. Colman’s Cathedral.
Work of the top secret operation got out as a result of rumblings at the last meeting of the Cobh Town Council. Under a bit of pressure, the trusty Town Clerk, P. Lynch, admitted he he had received correspondence from the Trustees that the great Professor O’Neill was back on the job and is preparing a new plan for Cobh Cathedral. The FOSCC swung immediately into action and slapped a freedom of information act on P. Lynch about correspondence from the Trustees re further plans for the Cathedral. Word in town has it that P. Lynch has confirmed to the FOSCC that O’Neill is indeed working on more plans for the interior of Cobh Cathedral and, that McCutcheon Mulcahy are still acting as planning consultants for Magee.
It seems that Magee and his pals are not getting the message and fail to accept last year’s decision by An Bord Pleanala.
Rumour has it that McCutcheon Mulachy have been trying to get this latest past Cobh Town Council by a section 59 Declaration. Over the past few months, several Parish Priests have been busy laying the ground for this by initiating a whole series of works to protected structures throughout County Cork without any reference to the planning authority. Indeed, all sorts of things have happened, including demolitions of protected structures, in an effort to undermine an Bord Pleanala.
However, neither McCutcheon Mulcahy nor the great Professor O’Neill seem to have learne a lesson from the last hammering doled out to them by the FOSCC. That is truly a pity. If it becomes necessary, the FOSCC are likely to dole out an even more severe clouting to these two brazen things.
As for Cobh Town Council, well we shall see whether they are going to be a bit more responsible and a good bit more honest in their dealings with the people of Cobh this time around! After all, they still owe 110 people Euro 20 each for submissions they did not bothered to read – that is generally called fraud! When it comes to putting in objections to any of the great Professor’s objectionable plans, these people should DEMAND that their second round of objections be ADMITTED FREE OF CHARGE in compensation for the dishonesty of the Town Council.
Praxiteles is not in the least surprised by this move. It was well known in certain quarters in Cork that Brian McCutcheon, when still reeling from the defeat inflicted on his little campaign by An Bord Pleanala, advised the Trustees of Cobh Cathedral that the best thing to do was sit an wait for a few years and let things calm down and then present a new plan. Presumably, he has been preparing the ground in his usual manner over the past while. Part of that strategy was the hope that the FOSCC was die off and let the whole Cobh saga recede into forgetfullness. One of the great irritants to that “spes” has been these very pages on Archiseek which have kept the home fires burning. Their contribution has been so effective taht it has kept the Cobh fascists busy over the past twelve months trying (unsuccessfully) to devise means of gagging them!
That Cathal O’Neill should be back in trge fray is a little surprising – one could have been forgiven for thinking that he learned his lesson the last time. However, when one considers the original wreckage plan proposed by him, one has the impression that it was not the whole story. Pecularity, a slight discrepancy existed between the list of things to do supplied by the bold bishop and the plan produced by O’Neill. This was especially true of the west end of the Cathedral. Although the liturgical soviest had been on about all sorts of things abouut gathering etc. nothing was contained in O’Neill’s plan about the baptistery or the oak screens at the back of the Cathedral. In itself, that might not have seemed too odd – until, of course, you keep in mind that a Cork architect acting on behalf of the Trustees had lodged an application with Cobh Town Council some time previously for a section 57 Declaration to carry out works in this area. Those works included “restructuring” 8 doors -the doors of the west screen. However, the plan was so absurd that not even the over-holidayed Denis Deasey (then town architect in Cobh) could be induced to bite this particular cherry and roll over. While the works were described as “urgent” nothing has happened in the past five years -except a slow and deliberate running down of the fabric of the west end of the Cathedral.
Earlier this year, Cobh Town COuncil were stirred to a motion by An Taisce. Complaint was made about the condition of the fabric of the Cathedral. The new (Italian) Town Architect was despatched and produiced a report. Surprisingly, and much in contract to previous work carried out by Denis Deasey, it actually concluded that there were problems with the fabric and recommended that repair work be carried out and a general maintenance programme be drawn up by the Trustees.
After some pushing and shoving, Cobh Town Council reluctantly decided to send the Caciotti Report to the bold bishop. However, things did not quite work out that way. It seems, for reasons taht are no9t at all clear, that the Report was sent to McCutcheon Mulcahy rather than to the bold bishop. This was subsequently confirmed by the overholidayed Town Clerk in Cobh. Nobody knew that mcCutcheon Mulcahy were still retained as agents by the Trustees except Cobh Town Council and P. Lynch, the Town Clerk. Subsequently, it emerged that the Report, although sent twice, never received a reply. On a third application by the Town Council (presumably through the Town Clerk) a reply came out of the blue on 10 September 2007. It remains to be seen if Cobh Town Council has or has not learned a lesson fropm the last outing.
Given the extent of the wreckage proposed by O’Neill in the last plan for Cobh Cathedral, we can well imagine both his sensitivity and his committment to the heritage conservation of this building. If O’Neill’s plan is no more than a response to the Cacciotti Report, then we are essentially dealing with a conservation question. But, as we know, O’Neill has no interest in the conservation of Cobh Cathedral and any intervention of his his must be regarded with deep suspicion. After all, he tghought nothing of demolishing Pietro Turnarelli’s High ALtar in the Pro-Cathedral in Dublin ( cravenly described by Christine Casey in her Guide to the Buildings of Dublin a “conservative” intervention).
Given all the above, the public can be reassure taht the FOSCC has not been idle over the past months. They carefully watched this situation and have made it perfectly clear that they are ready for round two -if necessary. Any plans submitted to Cobh Town Council will be immediately and carefully scrutinised by teh FOSCC who, if necessary, will be only too willing to deploy the necessary forces to ensure the survival of Cobh Cathedral.
@Praxiteles wrote:
And here we have something for the members of the Cloyne HACK: a video of how to say the Mass made easy. We recommend that assiduous use be made of it if they are to render themselves of even minimal service to their flocks.
As for Latin, which is the problematic bit -especially for those who do not speak recognisable English- we are working on a simplified version of Liturgical Latin for Dummies!
http://www.sanctamissa.org/EN/tutorial/low-mass-trinity-sunday/low-mass-trinity-sunday-1.html
As promised: here we have the simplified version of Liuirgical Latin for Dummies. Aptly, it is called Simplicissimus. Praxiteles thinks its optimistic to believe that the Cloyne HACK could get up to speed in Latin after 20 lessons – but, let’s see what happens.
While this course is intended for Dummies who know the basics of English grammar, producing an even more simplified version for the members of the Cloyne Hack who are not able to grasp the difference between nouns and verbs -not to mention adverbs and adjectives and prepositions – is proving a good deal more difficult. Currently, our Latin experts are talking with Long John Silver in the hope of developing the Simplicissimus parrot method based on morphems and phonems. If that does not work, well ah …………………
Very optimistic indeed. I personally think there’s more hope of the mass being said in Klingon.
Can you imagine dominus vobiscums echoing around this pink iceing fairy cake of a church?
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I honestly would not want to hear it.But, when the pink iceing is all cleared out and everything put back the way it should be, you will have a very nice little country church in the palladian idiom. Fortunately, the serliana of the latar still exists and its Corinthian capitals ate very finely carved.
I do however concede that I am less than convinced that the Liturgical Latin for Dummies in the parrot version is going to work. But, not to worry, there is a plentiful supply of competent Latinists in West Africa where a series of shreed local bishops fought off any and all attempts by native governments to rid the schools of the Latin language. In fact, West Africa is a growth area as far as Latin is concerned.
Ballintotis Church built in 1839 . The architect is likely to have been Br. Michael Augustine Riordan.
The exterior view of Ballintotis taken c. 1960 and teh second shows it as it stands at present.
It is to be noted that the addition of a porch has been helpful. Neither has the disappearance of the window casings been an improvement. The foreshortning of the central window is simply absurd. The missing bellcote is also a step in the wrong direction.
@Praxiteles wrote:
Ballintotis Church built in 1839 . The architect is likely to have been Br. Michael Augustine Riordan.
Lovely. I’m looking at the picture desaturated. It’s a very fine little church. I wonder was there a crucifix painting in the centre? Interesting what you say about Latin in West Africa.
Ballintotis is of the same form as the more elaborate augustinian church in New Ross which is more properly cared for.
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@ake wrote:
Lovely. I’m looking at the picture desaturated. It’s a very fine little church. I wonder was there a crucifix painting in the centre? Interesting what you say about Latin in West Africa.
Yes ther probably was and it was probably flanked by two other pictures. Unfortunately, all have disappeared. In Ballintotis all three altars have also disappeared but, the Serliana survives and with a little imagination it should not be too difficult to embark on a process of resporation to retrieve the church from much neglest and and dilapidation.
This is what th facade probably looked like originally – St. Barrahane’s at Castlehaven also by Br. O’Riordan
Or this at Castletownkinneagh near Drimoleague in West Cork which is dcertainly by Br. O’Riordan.
The presence of the awful porch, as at Ballintotis, explains the foreshortened window.
@ake wrote:
Ballintotis is of the same form as the more elaborate augustinian church in New Ross which is more properly cared for.
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Agreed!
@Praxiteles wrote:
As promised: here we have the simplified version of Liuirgical Latin for Dummies. Aptly, it is called Simplicissimus. Praxiteles thinks its optimistic to believe that the Cloyne HACK could get up to speed in Latin after 20 lessons – but, let’s see what happens.
While this course is intended for Dummies who know the basics of English grammar, producing an even more simplified version for the members of the Cloyne Hack who are not able to grasp the difference between nouns and verbs -not to mention adverbs and adjectives and prepositions – is proving a good deal more difficult. Currently, our Latin experts are talking with Long John Silver in the hope of developing the Simplicissimus parrot method based on morphems and phonems. If that does not work, well ah …………………
“members of the Cloyne HACK who are not able to grasp the difference between nouns and verbs ….”
This puts Rhabanus in mind of a couple of budding Latin grammarians, Paulus and Prisca, who allegedly appealed to Pope Zachary in the eighth century for an annulment. The dissolution, it seems, was granted, though it is unclear whether on the grounds of mutual incompatibility or of invincible ignorance: for every time she asked him to conjugate, he declined.
ANd here we have the facade of Ballyhea (1831) with the added modern porch and the foreshortened window.
However, the retro-sacristy is of interest for this can now serve as the model for the rebuilding of Ballintotis sacristy.
@ake wrote:
Lovely. I’m looking at the picture desaturated. It’s a very fine little church. I wonder was there a crucifix painting in the centre? Interesting what you say about Latin in West Africa.
Almost certainly there was a picture of the Crucifixion over the High ALtar here. Unfortunately, the 1970s mania saw the demolition of all three altars here and the removal of the altar pieces and rails.
And here we have a little something from the New York Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/22/us/22religion.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
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