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  • #770474
    ake
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    will it be better than this?a real original gothic door frame 15/16th century holycross
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    #770475
    Praxiteles
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    @ake wrote:

    will it be better than this?a real original gothic door frame 15/16th century holycross
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    Anyone know who made the door?

    #770476
    Praxiteles
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    BTW for the benefit of the Al-Wahaabi, the Irish Georgian Society also has a register of craftwokers with specialised skills. Praxiteles believes he might be able to get someone on to make a few convincing wrought iron hinges for the main doors (at least) of Kanturk church.

    http://www.igs.ie/register/index.html

    #770477
    Praxiteles
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    And here we have something for the members of the Cloyne HACK: a video of how to say the Mass made easy. We recommend that assiduous use be made of it if they are to render themselves of even minimal service to their flocks.

    As for Latin, which is the problematic bit -especially for those who do not speak recognisable English- we are working on a simplified version of Liturgical Latin for Dummies!

    http://www.sanctamissa.org/EN/tutorial/low-mass-trinity-sunday/low-mass-trinity-sunday-1.html

    #770478
    Praxiteles
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    Ake!

    Speaking of Kanturk and of doors, have you seen the renaissance door of Kanturk Castle?

    #770479
    Praxiteles
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    This is the magnificent church of Our Lady of Sorrows in Jackson Avenue, Chicago.

    It is rated as one of the most important churches int he city of Chicago:

    #770480
    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    This is the magnificent church of Our Lady of Sorrows in Jackson Avenue, Chicago.

    It is rated as one of the most important churches int he city of Chicago:

    Surely not more important than St John Kantius (blissfully free of a thrust-stage extension of the sanctuary) or Our Lady of the Angels (spared from the wrecking ball on condition that the faithful find a way to keep the church up, which they did).

    Some great churches in Chicago!

    #770481
    Praxiteles
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    @Rhabanus wrote:

    Surely not more important than St John Kantius (blissfully free of a thrust-stage extension of the sanctuary) or Our Lady of the Angels (spared from the wrecking ball on condition that the faithful find a way to keep the church up, which they did).

    Some great churches in Chicago!

    Praxiteles posted the pictires of Our Lady of Sorrows to see its present condition. Happily, it is still more or less intact -although some gaudy bits of kitsch have been introduced.

    The interest in its present condition was sparked by a film recording of Solemn High Mass made there on Easter Sunday 1941 which is an interesting histoorical document in that it shows how the sanctuary liturgically operated:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6AOvStZS64

    #770482
    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Praxiteles posted the pictires of Our Lady of Sorrows to see its present condition. Happily, it is still more or less intact -although some gaudy bits of kitsch have been introduced.

    The interest in its present condition was sparked by a film recording of Solemn High Mass made there on Easter Sunday 1941 which is an interesting histoorical document in that it shows how the sanctuary liturgically operated:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6AOvStZS64

    Absolutely glorious! Thank you, Prax, for that instructive document. Amazing that this copy survived the ravages of time.

    Note the vituperation of the comments lodged by various readers on that site in response to the recording. That kind of venom suggests the real scandal attached to the Sacrifice of Calvary made present sacramentally in the Holy Eucharist. As the discerning reader of those remarks will note, “Even the devils believe … and tremble!” (Jas 2:19)

    Note the gravitas of the Roman rite. A far cry from those C. Landry ditties from the 1970s now ubiquitous throughout the beleaguered world of Catholic schools and parishes where such schools exist. Here are some samples of what that twankling jack offered: “Hi, God!, how do you feel today?” “”Got to Get in Touch with the Way That I Feel,” “What Color is God’s Skin?” and “Giant Love Ball Song” [Incipit: “I’m like a bright giant love ball bouncing around so free]

    That twaddle just drives one to the foot of the altar to utter those words of Psalm 42: Judica, me, Deus, et discerne causam meam de gente non sancta; ab homine iniquo et doloso erue me!”

    The sanctuary in that church is magnificent, and it is used to full advantage during this High Mass.

    #770483
    Rhabanus
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    I wonder whatever happened to the marble angels kneeling in adoration on either side of the Crucifix.
    The church and sanctuary seemed much bigger in the film than they do in the colour photos.

    #770484
    ake
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    This is the magnificent church of Our Lady of Sorrows in Jackson Avenue, Chicago.

    It is rated as one of the most important churches int he city of Chicago:

    beautiful. Can’t say I care for the blue really.

    #770485
    Fearg
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Does anyone know anything about the tracery in the great window of Westminster Hall? Is it original, or was it installed in the mid-19th. century at the time of Barry and Pugin’s rebuilding of the Houses of Parliament? From the heraldic achievements in the glazing, the glass is at least post 1837 for it displays the modern arms of the British monarch asopted by Queen Victoria.

    Strong similarity to the earlier (non Pugin) North Window of the Hall itself and that at Norwich Cathedral:

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    #770486
    Praxiteles
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    Norwich Cathedral:

    The West Window glazed by George Hedgland in 1853 and depicting secenes from the life of Moses and from the life of Christ inspired by prototypes drawn from the early renaissance.

    #770487
    Praxiteles
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    Here are some further views of the West window at Norwich Cathedral.

    Note that this enormous window seems to be able to survive the elements without the benefit of the storm-glazing that has become ubiqutuous in Ireland. Is there any chance that someone in Ireland might ask the authorities in Norwich how they manage to glaze their windows so as to avoid having to use the awful heavy storm glazing?

    #770488
    Praxiteles
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    Nowrich cathedral

    Here we have the west window without the awful storm glazing that we have seen in Irish churches. Here the tracery is visible and capable of being appreciated.

    #770489
    Praxiteles
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    Now compare these two windows with and without stormglazing:

    #770490
    Praxiteles
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    And here we have another contrast between the West window of Norwich Cathedral which is not clad in horrible storm glazing and the West window of the church of the Immaculate Conception, Kanturk, Co. Cork which is:

    #770491
    Praxiteles
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    Here are some examples of large stained galss windows in England: Bath Abbey, Edington Priory, Exeter Cathedral, Gloucester Cathedral, Winchester Cathedral.

    In all cases the glass seems perfectly in order and the tracery is perfectly visible.

    Absent are the acres of storm-glazing that cover Irish church windows.

    Can anyone explain the Irish Drang nach Sturmverglassen?

    #770492
    Praxiteles
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    And here we have the interior of Bath, Edington, Exeter, Gloucester, and Winchester

    The picture of Winchester shows the great W window smashed by Cromwell. The pieces were collected in baskets by the people of Winchester until better times when the whole window was re-erected from shreds.

    #770493
    Praxiteles
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    Worcester Cathedral

    Here we have some pictures of the West window of Worcester Cathedral.

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