reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches

@Praxiteles wrote:

St. Colman’s Church, Ballintotis, Midleton, Co. Cork

For the benefit of the enforcment office of Cork County Councilm in the event that they might stir themselves and get out to Ballintotis, here are two photographs of the interior showing where the radiators of teh heating system wwere and where they are not. Again, work carried out without pkanning permission and without a declaration!

Absurd.

Reminds me of those biscuits, with the wafers and the pink marshmellow stuff in between. What’re they called?

Is this actually an inside joke? Are the priests laughing behind the parish’s back, actually tolerating this? I can get the joke. it’s quite comical.

It is honestly the most ridiculous colors I have ever seen in an Irish church, and that is saying ALOT. Simply unbelievable.

I heard from an informed source today that there was some talk of ‘widening the windows’ in Ballintotis .Can you imagine what the ‘wreckers of Killavullen’ and their ilk would do here. I mention Killavullen as it seems that what has taken place in Ballintotis thus far, is exactly what happened in Killavullen. Both were Br. Riordan churches with retro Sacristies and both are, unfortunatley under the one and only HACK, there are other similarities but one has to be discreet in these matters. All in all, it looks as if Ballintotis is destined for the ‘Buddah’ treatment as well. But then who is surprised that the Cloyne HACK, not only have absolutely no idea of what Catholic/Christian architecture actually represents, they are so ill educated that they accept what ever is in vogue regardless of it antecedence.
I realise that on this forum we have seen the destruction of many many churches in Ireland. But if one took just those in the Cloyne Diocese, under the ‘protection’ of the Cloyne HACK, one would have to acknowledge that the modern iconoclasts and wreckers have been very successful in Cloyne.
Do the HACK ever, ever look at the results of their decisions?
Do they care?
Is their out-dated ‘spirit of Vatican II’ (mis) ideology so potent that they cannot see the writing on the wall?
The saddest thing about this entire debacle is that there are so many people out there who feel betrayed by their priest and in many instances it is not they who are to blame, but the ideologues in the Cloyne HACK.

They have a lot to answer for.

Do the HACK ever, ever look at the results of their decisions?
Do they care?
Is their out-dated ‘spirit of Vatican II’ (mis) ideology so potent that they cannot see the writing on the wall?
The saddest thing about this entire debacle is that there are so many people out there who feel betrayed by their priest and in many instances it is not they who are to blame, but the ideologues in the Cloyne HACK.

They have a lot to answer for.

Spot on, Gianlorenzo! These ideologues and iconoclasts have inflicted incalculable damage on the Church in Ireland not just in the temporal but especially in the spiritual realm. That the clergy do not raise their voices in strident protest strongly suggests that they find themselves in a climate of fear where any criticism, even if only perceived, is punished ruthlessly. This is terror writ large.

The Holy See is now opening up the possibility for laity to register their legitimate complaints re the public worship of the Church. This is one of the benefits of the recent motu proprio Summorum pontificum. The Holy See ought to be informed of exactly what is going on in the life of worship in your ballywick so that it can address this summit and source (culmen et fons) of the Church’s life and mission.

On the subject of perpendicular tracery here is a useful link:

http://www.lookingatbuildings.org.uk/default.asp?document=1.C.2.1.1.4,1

@Praxiteles wrote:

Does anyone know anything about the tracery in the great window of Westminster Hall? Is it original, or was it installed in the mid-19th. century at the time of Barry and Pugin’s rebuilding of the Houses of Parliament? From the heraldic achievements in the glazing, the glass is at least post 1837 for it displays the modern arms of the British monarch asopted by Queen Victoria.

I’m fairly sure the tracery was new when the palace was rebuilt. The window is now further south than the original south end of the hall, as that end of the hall was modified to form St Stephen’s entrance. See the below for some idea of what the original may have looked like (rather like the north end does today):

http://www.show.me.uk/gunpowderplot/popup_img_64.htm

and here we see where the original window was converted to an arch, with Barry’Pugins work further south:

http://www.viewimages.com/Search.aspx?mid=52697562&epmid=3&partner=Google

@Fearg wrote:

At first I thought it may have been something to do with a lying in state… but it does not look right.

This is not a church. It is Westminster Hall and, as far as I can make out, it is a “monument” to Winston Churchill, So, was a war as this is what you get!!

@Praxiteles wrote:

Thanks Ferg for that !

So, would the tracery date from the 1840s then?

That section was built in the 1850s. They did a superb job of tying the victorian building into the medieval hall.

To return to the making of replacement doors for neo-Gothic churches:

Here is a link to the Crown Guild of Master Wood Carvers who provide a whole host of door replacements made to traditional materials and methods. It is a site well worth knowing for anyone interested in conservation or restoration of neo-Gothic buildings

http://www.woodcarversguild.com/wall_coverings_v2/doors_door_surrounds/1.htm

Just to make the point:

Here are three pictures of the scaristy door in Kanturk church:

1. The original door needing conservation and/or replacement;

2. The dog’s dinner of a mess that has replaced it _ and which MUST be removed;

3. What you could have if you get the RIGHT people to do the job CORRECTLY and who KNOW what they are doing.

(who ever heard a recessed doorway like this in a neo-Gothic building? The stupidity is beyond measure!