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  • #770394
    Praxiteles
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    @ake wrote:

    nice

    Ake!

    These shots will give some idea of the sanctuary of Charleville Church. The mosaic work is stupendous and by the Dublin Craftworkers Guild. Unfortunately, it is in a poor state at the moment and in need of conservation and maintenance. Water ingress has caused blistering and sections of it are in danger of falling off of the the wall.

    #770395
    Gianlorenzo
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    St. Peter and Paul’s, Killmallock, Co. Limerick

    Built to plans drawn by JJ. McCarthy in 1879, this church represents a significant advance in the evolution of Gothic revival churches in the North Cork Region – albeit located just over the County Limerick border.

    #3157
    The iron work and doors look good in these shots. Do you think that someone from Kilmallock could come and have a work with the ‘stewards’ of St. Colman’s in Cobh and let them know how it is done.

    #770396
    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Ake!

    These shots will give some idea of the sanctuary of Charleville Church. The mosaic work is stupendous and by the Dublin Craftworkers Guild. Unfortunately, it is in a poor state at the moment and in need of conservation and maintenance. Water ingress has caused blistering and sections of it are in danger of falling off of the the wall.

    The mosaic work IS stupendous; so is the East window, featuring the Exaltation of the Holy Cross.

    I regret, though, that someone has been fiddling with the altar in the photo.

    Note that the niches on either end of the reredos contain not marble statues, but brass amphorae or ewers. What gives here? What happened to the marble statues that originally would have adorned those niches? Quite inept replacements. What is the message being conveyed here?

    #770397
    ake
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Ake!

    These shots will give some idea of the sanctuary of Charleville Church. The mosaic work is stupendous and by the Dublin Craftworkers Guild. Unfortunately, it is in a poor state at the moment and in need of conservation and maintenance. Water ingress has caused blistering and sections of it are in danger of falling off of the the wall.

    Yes, looks quite good. For comparison…

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    No not Isfahan, but St.Mary’s Cathedral, in Kilkenny. I think this is best sanctuary decoration I have seen in an Irish church thus far.

    #770398
    Praxiteles
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    Ake!

    Here are some shots of the few surviving original fittings left in Killarney Cathedral. Most of them are situated in the mortuary chapel of Earls of Kenmare. Their survival is due to the protests of the Lady Beatrice Grosvenor, the heiress of the Kenmare estate, who refused to allow them to be torn out. She was buried in the vault of the chapel in 1985.

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    samuel j
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    #770400
    Praxiteles
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    This is just waht we need!!

    Everybody should vote early and vote often!!

    #770401
    ake
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Ake!

    Here are some shots of the few surviving original fittings left in Killarney Cathedral. Most of them are situated in the mortuary chapel of Earls of Kenmare. Their survival is due to the protests of the Lady Beatrice Grosvenor, the heiress of the Kenmare estate, who refused to allow them to be torn out. She was buried in the vault of the chapel in 1985.

    And I wonder why no one esle objected forcefully enough to prevent the ruination.

    #770402
    ake
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    The friary, Killarney; surrounding the beautiful Flemish altar, some good mosaics, with some neo-celticry thrown in to boot and why not.

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    #770403
    Praxiteles
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    Compare with this: the neo-gothic restoration of the Heiglige Bloote Chapel in Bruges which was wrecked at the time of the French Revolution. It is the touchstone for the entire gothic revival movement in Belgium.

    #770404
    Rhabanus
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    @ake wrote:

    The friary, Killarney]5645[/ATTACH]

    Ooh-la-la! C’est magnifique. Comme toute est belle!

    One question: why two Madonna and Child statues? One on the main altar matching St Patrick and the other in the side altar on the Gospel side (matching St Anthony)? Not sure I get that one. Perhaps someone can clarify? I’m all for exuberance, but do appreciate some logic sprinkled in for good measure.

    [Very glad the photographer trimmed the lectern / podium, which doubtless would have contrasted odiously with the magnificent altar.]

    #770405
    Fearg
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    Did anyone else see the RTE broadcast of Mass from Mullingar Cathedral yesterday? It looks to be in a fairly good state of repair. However, the sanctuary appears to have been reordered by moving the altar about 6 feet forward of the tabernacle and a small brass lectern installed. The pulpit is still in place, but was being used as a handy platform for a TV Camera yesterday!

    Some good shots of the mosaics in the side chapels, I don’t think I’ve seen any pics of those on any other medium..

    #770406
    Fearg
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    #770407
    Rhabanus
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    @ake wrote:

    And I wonder why no one esle objected forcefully enough to prevent the ruination.

    Some time-servers and idealogues listen to Earls and Countesses but not to others, even (or especially) when these others are right. Everyone, it seems, has a price. This is how poltroons and time-servers manage to keep their positions. Salve, lucrum!

    #770408
    Praxiteles
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    In this second poll on the desirability of the HACK’s shuffling off the mortal coil which is open to viewers rather than contributors, it would seem that a similar pattern is emerging: practically no support for the Cloyne HACK’s continuation in office and overwhealming public demand for their resignation!.

    Only two persons appeared to have given support to the HACK -which is an interesting sociological phenomenon not least in that it would seem to indicate that not even all the viweing members of the Cloyne HACK could muster the brains to vote for themselves! It looks as though we REALLY are face to face with the intelectually challenged!!

    #770409
    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    In this second poll on the desirability of the HACK’s shuffling off the mortal coil which is open to viewers rather than contributors, it would seem that a similar pattern is emerging: practically no support for the Cloyne HACK’s continuation in office and overwhealming public demand for their resignation!.

    Only two persons appeared to have given support to the HACK -which is an interesting sociological phenomenon not least in that it would seem to indicate that not even all the viweing members of the Cloyne HACK could muster the brains to vote for themselves! It looks as though we REALLY are face to face with the intelectually challenged!!

    Vox populi, vox Dei.

    Can they not read the writing on the wall?

    I see the Persian letters spelling: MENE TEKEL PARSIN

    Belshazzar’s feast (in which the sacred was put to profane use) is over. “Counted, weighed, and found wanting.”

    The HACK is beginning to resemble a beached whale.

    #770410
    Praxiteles
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    @Rhabanus wrote:

    Vox populi, vox Dei.

    Can they not read the writing on the wall?

    I see the Persian letters spelling: MENE TEKEL PARSIN

    Belshazzar’s feast (in which the sacred was put to profane use) is over. “Counted, weighed, and found wanting.”

    The HACK is beginning to resemble a beached whale.

    Ah yes, the writing is on the wall for the Cloyne HACK!!

    But who plays Daniel in this drama?

    #770411
    Gianlorenzo
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    😮 😮 😮 Well, Beached or otherwise, it looks as if they have struck again. I have just heard that the Sacristy of St. Colman’s Church in Ballintotis, Midleton, (Cloyne Diocese) has been demolished – and not a whiff of planning permission.

    Maybe ‘Daniel’ will be the planning authorities in County Cork !!!!:confused:

    #770412
    Praxiteles
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    This cannot be true. Ballintotis is a protected structure and I cannot imagine that any part of it could be demolished without planning permission. The church dates from 1839 and is probably by Brothre Michael Augustine O’Riordan. Given that so little of his oeuvre has survived the loss of any part of Ballintotis would be simply unconscienible.

    #770413
    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    This cannot be true. Ballintotis is a protected structure and I cannot imagine that any part of it could be demolished without planning permission. The church dates from 1839 and is probably by Brothre Michael Augustine O’Riordan. Given that so little of his oeuvre has survived the loss of any part of Ballintotis would be simply unconscienible.

    Been done before, Prax. Flip back a thousand entries or so and you will see the completely gutted sanctuary of one of Br O’Riordon’s churches. Zen do? Or just bad karma? You tell me.

    Even Daniel could’t interpret that one, because everything, including the lettering, was scraped off the walls. The only finger at work there was the middle digit, given to nearly two centuries of ecclesiastical tradition. Only a tabernacle on stilts remained – in the far right corner of the light box.

    I suppose if you cross a beached whale with the Cloyne HACK, you get a WHACK. And if Gianlorenzo is correct, Ballintotis just got WHACKED!! Who had their eyes closed then?

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