reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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@THE_Chris wrote:
That first ‘after’ pic above.. the picture is flipped horizontally by the looks of the CATCH alarm logo and the position of the jutting brick wall on the left of it.
Well that means that the door handle is also flipped and if you think about it, the handle is now designed to be used by a left handed person only!!
A very sharp comment Chris and dead spot on!!
Here are a couple of more to show the thing right side up -the lfeties woz obviously at it here!!
Is is not that just a stunning piece of Gothick!! A pity the ESB box has not a pointed arch – it would lend street cred to it.
Praxiteles wrote:The Church of the Immaculate Conception, Kanturk, Co. COrkSomeone has mentioned to Praxiteles that fairly extensive alterations have been made in recent times to this church, including the removal of the central gates and one of the side gates from the altar fail. The gates are by McGloghlin of Dublin. Praxiteles has searched the Cork County Council Webpage but cannot find a planning application for this intervention to a protected structure.
It also seems that works have been carried out to the sanctuary. Was permission obtaind for this? What looks to be a new altar has been installed and a sort of predella has been provided for the reredos of the Hogh Altar. Who authorised this?
There also appears to be severa]
Would I be right in saying that the PP in Kanturk is none other than the Cloyne HACK Chairman, Canon John Terry, who was also involved with the debacle in Cobh?
It is hardly surprising that he feels that he can carry out works on the Church in Kanturk given the complete distain with which the HACK and friends view the planning authorities. I still remember ,with fury, how they dug us the mosaic sanctuary floor in St. Colman’s in order to “prove” that the cowboy they had imported from the UK could tear up the floor and relay it without any collatoral damage as per Cathal ‘wrecker’ O’Neill’s plans.Yeah, I think he is but in Kanturk he is regarded more as the local liturgical al-Wahaabi!!
However, the real question is why can he do such an extensive make over of Kanturk church without planning permission and everyone else has to go through the whole expensive process to make a minor alteration to the front of the house? Are the al-Wahaabi above the law?
Hi Prax,
Been away on a working holiday, missed you all. 😀 Some interesting development with the churches in Co. Cork.
Visited the Cathedral the other day and the crib has finally been taken down, though not removed from the Pieta Chapel. I suppose the ADM. thinks it is easier ,at this stage, to leave it, so as to be ready for next Christmas. The Cathedral is still in a disgraceful condition.:eek: They should be ashamed of themselves.
I don’t know whether the Steering Cmmtte; the HACK; or the ADM., is to blame, but they should all hang their heads in shame. Not one of them is fit to be in charge of a dog house never mind a building of such spiritual;cultural and heritage importance. They have become a standing joke with the people of Cobh.
It is about time the local authority took a hand in this. :confused:@Praxiteles wrote:
Yeah, I think he is but in Kanturk he is regarded more as the local liturgical al-Wahaabi!!
However, the real question is why can he do such an extensive make over of Kanturk church without planning permission and everyone else has to go through the whole expensive process to make a minor alteration to the front of the house? Are the al-Wahaabi above the law?
I don’t think so, but this particular al-wahaabi thinks he is.
@Praxiteles wrote:
A very sharp comment Chris and dead spot on!!
Here are a couple of more to show the thing right side up -the lfeties woz obviously at it here!!
Is is not that just a stunning piece of Gothick!! A pity the ESB box has not a pointed arch – it would lend street cred to it.
The look of that door could be enhanced were someone to put a pointed paper border over it. It does rather look a bit hungry without any cresting.
Gianlorenzo wrote:Hi Prax,Been away on a working holiday, missed you all. 😀 Some interesting development with the churches in Co. Cork.
Visited the Cathedral the other day and the crib has finally been taken down, though not removed from the Pieta Chapel. I suppose the ADM. thinks it is easier ,at this stage, to leave it, so as to be ready for next Christmas. The Cathedral is still in a disgraceful condition.:eek: They should be ashamed of themselves.
I don’t know whether the Steering Cmmtte]I would not be too sure that the Cobh Town Council is not a standing joke as well with the people of Cobh.
Was speaking to one of the Friends recently and it appears that they did follow up on the illegal taking of core samples from the mosaic floors but the then architect Denis Deasy and the present administration have no intention of doing anything about it. You know how it is – one law for the ‘rich’ and one law etc etc. No wonder members of the HACK think they can flout the planning laws at will.
Gianlorenzo wrote:Hi Prax,. The Cathedral is still in a disgraceful condition.:eek: They should be ashamed of themselves.
I don’t know whether the Steering Cmmtte]todays cobh newsletter has a letter from JIm Kidney…gist of which is similar to above, state of doors etc….
You are 100% right on “They have become a standing joke with the people of Cobh” and everyday I pass there are literally crowds of tourists clickin away on their cameras…… What must they think….@descamps wrote:
I would not be too sure that the Cobh Town Council is not a standing joke as well with the people of Cobh.
Muppets as two seperate non cobh based engineers recently described them to me……… not just a joke to Cobh people who have to endure some of their wonderful planning decisions…….. seems the professionals hold them in high esteem to……:D
And here we have another charming scene from the interior of Kanturk Church.
The pine construction seems to be a shrine.
Note that the gates oft he altar rails have again been removed at this side of the sa<nctuary and dumped against the wall in the hope that someone might run off with them.
And, in case we forget, this church is a protected building and on the list of protected structures drawn up by the Cork County Council.
Church of the Immaculate Conception, Kanturk, Co. Cork
And here we have a few views showing how the al-Wahaadi quite literally screwed up the iron work on the main doors of the church! The use of screws like these, undoubtedly, is for the purpose of lending an authentic “gothic” air to the place and to make them unmistakably Pugin.
Again, this work was carried out without planning permission and seemingly is acceptable to Cork County Council.
What is it a Sauna or have Artic Spas & Tubs got a showroom in there…
“protected building and on the list of protected structures drawn up by the Cork County Council” – have some recent experience of so called LIST and damage to a structure…. from my experience of getting any action…I think it is no more than a list…. as no one wants to know…you are bounced from pillar to post… I fear it is no more than a list……
Monaghan Cathedral
After nearly two years of searcing this is about as much as Praxiteles has been able (so far) to unearth of the original sanctuary. It does however give a good idea of what it was like. Note the floor of the sanctuary – is is quite similar to that in Cobh Cathedral (the one they wanted to hack out).
And here is the well known result and it comes as little consolation to us that Joe Duffy spends his time wringing his hands over the perennial questions: “Is it possible to speak meaningfully about another world? Does human history have a plan or purpose? What can we reasonably expect from life?” God, they must have very severe winters in Monaghan!
@Praxiteles wrote:
Monaghan Cathedral
After nearly two years of searcing this is about as much as Praxiteles has been able (so far) to unearth of the original sanctuary. It does however give a good idea of what it was like. Note the floor of the sanctuary – is is quite similar to that in Cobh Cathedral (the one they wanted to hack out).
Sublime. Look at those wonderful railings. Will it ever look like this again?
Re the transept windows of St. Mary’s Church, Buttevant, Co. Cork
The prototypes for these windows are to be found at York Minister. Here we reproduce a drawing from John Milner’s groundbreaking Treatise on the Ecclesiastical Architecture of England during the Middle Ages published in 1811. This was the first historical classification of the stages of the development of gothic architecture in England. Thomas Rickman in his Attempt to Discriminate the Styles of Architecture in England first published in 1817 brought scientific rigour to bear on Milner’s categories and eventually left us with the vocabulary to describe English gothic – including the famous term “perpendicular”.
Re St. Mary’s Church, Buttevant, Co. Cork
Here we have two views of the great East window of York Minster taken from Joseph Halfpenny’s Gothic Ornament in the Cathedral Churh at York first published in 1794. These are plates 97 and 105 from this survey.
Since this is as close as it comes to cartoons when explaining the development of English Gothic architecture and its influence on church building in Ireland prior to 1820, we hope that even the most challenged on the Cloyne HACK will be able to see some resemblance bewteen York Minster and St. Mary’s, Buttevant.
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