reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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@ake wrote:
COI Cathedral, Ferns, Wexford
[ATTACH]4408[/ATTACH]This copy of Leonardo’s Last Supper was installed here in 1913 during a series of works designed to gothicize the interior of the building.
@Praxiteles wrote:
This copy of Leonardo’s Last Supper was installed here in 1913 during a series of works designed to gothicize the interior of the building.
Its placement looks rather odd to Catholic eyes accustomed to seeing the very same relief on the facing of the altar below the mensa.
A photo of the window of St John above would have been of more interest, considering its similarity in style to those in the COI cathedral of St Fin Barre, Cork. Is it in fact the work of the same artist or atelier?
Ferns Cathedral COI.
[ATTACH]4427[/ATTACH]I love these little Anglican churches and it really vexes me to see them always closed. What a vast part of our heritage we’re missing out on. These rural churches are the focal point of the history of the surrounding townlands – what a cultural void is left in the wake of their loss, (or inaccessability). The monuments of the people who lived in the area down the centuries – the very substance of history is locked away, lost or dispersed.
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sorry for going off topic a bit…@ake wrote:
Ferns Cathedral COI.
[ATTACH]4427[/ATTACH]I love these little Anglican churches and it really vexes me to see them always closed. What a vast part of our heritage we’re missing out on. These rural churches are the focal point of the history of the surrounding townlands – what a cultural void is left in the wake of their loss, (or inaccessability). The monuments of the people who lived in the area down the centuries – the very substance of history is locked away, lost or dispersed.
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sorry for going off topic a bit…It is just awful to think that something like this could happen.
I wonder is this the Pietàcommenced by John Hogan in 1857 for St Saviour’s and completed by James Cahill after Hogan’s death in 1858. The work was commissioned by Thomas Higgs at a cost of £250. The work was signed in monogram and dated 1857. Does anyone know where it is after Austin Flannery’s iconoclastic outburst?
Copies were made by the studio for St. John the Baptist in Blackrock, Co. Dublin; Sts Peter and Paul’s Balbriggan, Co. Dublin; Dungarvan, Co. Waterford;
Praxiteles wrote:I wonder is this the Pietàcommenced by John Hogan in 1857 for St Saviour’s and completed by James Cahill after Hogan’s death in 1858. The work was commissioned by Thomas Higgs at a cost of £250. The work was signed in monogram and dated 1857. Does anyone know where it is after Austin Flannery’s iconoclastic outburst?Copies were made by the studio for St. John the Baptist in Blackrock, Co. Dublin]
It seems to have just about survived:
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@Fearg wrote:
It seems to have just about survived:
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Well, at least that much survived!
St. Mary’s Church, Dungarvan, Co. Waterford: another example of early gothic revival, built by George Pain of Cork in 1828. It has an interesting plaster ceiling.
@Fearg wrote:
It seems to have just about survived:
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Please, someone, explain what we are seeing in this photo. It looks to these untrained eyes as though the relief of the Pieta was actually sawn down the middle and jammed up against a pillar or a wall.
It also appears as though the mensa of the altar to which the relief is fastened is topped with plants or some other trash or trumpery.
Or am I just imagining this?
@Rhabanus wrote:
Please, someone, explain what we are seeing in this photo. It looks to these untrained eyes as though the relief of the Pieta was actually sawn down the middle and jammed up against a pillar or a wall.
It also appears as though the mensa of the altar to which the relief is fastened is topped with plants or some other trash or trumpery.
Or am I just imagining this?
The pillar is just the tabernacle stand intruding on my photo, the carving is in fact, unbelievably intact! What they gained by removing the reredos is beyond me, (also, note how, for some reason the sacrarium on the RHS managed to survive): Strange too how in some churces the reredos is allowed to remain, but they remove the mensa, yet in St Saviour’s its the other way round – bizzare mixed up thinking, if you ask me!
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Attached is an example of a reredos where the mensa has been removed, to create a Marian Shrine..
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This was the Lady Altar in St. Saviour’s showing a statue of Our Lady with the Infant Jesus with St. Dominic and St. Catherine of Siena kneeling at either side; upper part is flanked by two statues (possibly of Sts Joachim and Anna) the lower part of the altar is flanked by two further statues which are difficult to identify from the photograph.
I am wondering whether the present marian shrine is a totally new creation incorporating bit and pieces from the wreck or whether it is not an altar rerdos that has lost its mensa?
Praxiteles wrote:This was the Lady Altar in St. Saviour’s showing a statue of Our Lady with the Infant Jesus with St. Dominic and St. Catherine of Siena kneeling at either side]I think the 3 statues from the previous altar have been incorporated into the new creation, the new backdrop is bizzare to say the least..
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Can I borrow the ipsissima verba of the great Dublin guru re. the gutting of St Macartan’s and apply them to St.Saviour’s: ‘The result,’ says Louis McRedmond, ‘is a reconstruction totally suited to its purpose while consciously respecting the lines and spirit of the old building. Few adaptations have been undertaken on such a scale with such success.’ After all, the job is the particluar handiwork of Austin Flannery who, among the totally deluded is regarded as the ” Dominican priest ….(who) has been at the centre of progressive thinking in the Irish Catholic Church for more than 4 decades”. Some progress…..
@Praxiteles wrote:
Can I borrow the ipsissima verba of the great Dublin guru re. the gutting of St Macartan’s and apply them to St.Saviour’s: ‘The result,’ says Louis McRedmond, ‘is a reconstruction totally suited to its purpose while consciously respecting the lines and spirit of the old building. Few adaptations have been undertaken on such a scale with such success.’ After all, the job is the particluar handiwork of Austin Flannery who, among the totally deluded is regarded as the ” Dominican priest ….(who) has been at the centre of progressive thinking in the Irish Catholic Church for more than 4 decades”. Some progress…..
The gutting of St Saviour’s has many parallels with Monaghan alright.. I suppose the only difference is that a few bits and pieces have survived in Dublin..
The Church of the Sacred Heart of Jesus, Borrisoleigh, Co. Tipperary by Walter Doolin (1892)
Perhaps James1852 might know something about the decoration of the apse and the other stencil work.
St Mary’s Church, Nenagh, Co. Tipperary by Walter Doolin in 1894 and completed by G.C Ashlin in 1910. The glass is by Mayer of Munich, the brass is McGloughlin and the mosaic work by Oppenheimer. The altars are by William Malone. The church was built by the Cork firm of Sisk.
@Praxiteles wrote:
St Mary’s Church, Nenagh, Co. Tipperary by Walter Doolin in 1894 and completed by G.C Ashlin in 1910. The glass is by Mayer of Munich, the brass is McGloughlin and the mosaic work by Oppenheimer. The altars are by William Malone. The church was built by the Cork firm of Sisk.
What a handsome church indeed – and such a glorious interior!
This is the very House of God and Gate of Heaven.
PLEASE don’t tell me they massacred that beautiful interior.
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