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    Praxiteles
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    The ceiling as it was in pre-1890:

    #769755
    ake
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    Re; Kilkenny
    @Praxiteles wrote:

    And restoration there will be: and sooner, I suspect, rather than later!

    what makes you say that? is something afoot?

    #769756
    Praxiteles
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    ake wrote:
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    Something indeed is afoot: a growing unwillingness to defend the indenfensible!

    #769757
    Praxiteles
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    The Cathedral of the Assumption of Our Lady at Tuam co. Galway by Dominic Madden begun in 1827 also has an early plaster gothic revival ceiling:

    #769758
    Praxiteles
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    Ballina Cathedral in Co. Mayo also by Dominick Madden and c. 1825 has an early gothic revival ceiling:

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    Praxiteles
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    Catherdal of St. Peter and Paul by Dominick Madden and begun in 1827 but delayed completion for lack of funding:

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    ake
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    #769761
    Praxiteles
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    Holy Trinity (1829-1831), Holborn by Francis Goodwin

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    Praxiteles
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    St. John’s church (1824-1826), Farnworth, Lancashire by Thomas Hardwick

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    Praxiteles
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    Another example of the early gothic revival in Ireland is Dromagh church near Kanturk , Co. Cork which dates from the early 1830s.

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    ake
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    And here are some of the surviving tatters from the first 19th. century High Altar of the Cathedral of St Mary and St Anne, Cork: the predella depicting the Last Supper by John Hogan

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    #769765
    james1852
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Are you sure it is Youghal?

    This is the photo of youghal with the spire, also i include a photo of the sanctuary in youghal following decoration by us in 1925, and the same view today with the murals intact and restored but without the stencilwork. It is similar to many churches where the actuall paintings remained but the stencilwork was obliterated. It never looks right as they are left hanging in mid-air with no embellishments.

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    #769766
    james1852
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    @james1852 wrote:

    The stencilwork and paintings in carlow were removed many years ago.They were replaced with several individual murals of saints all around the sanctuary walls. These came from the Harry Clarke studio. I have some photos which I will post soon. These murals however were also torn from the walls in the 70’s. So this latest destruction is the third time this church has been interfered with.

    These are the photos of carlow cathedral in 1952. The Harry Clarke murals are being restored along with the stencilwork surrounding them. Apologies for the quality of the images.

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    #769767
    james1852
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    This is a photo of The Sacred Heart Church , Templemore CO. Tipperary .The murals and stencilwork in this church were completely restored by us a few years ago, and now exists as a great example of how all Irish churches once looked.

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    #769768
    THE_Chris
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    Just out of sheer and complete interest, how much would the average stencil painting of a sanctuary cost, or are you allowed to reveal that to a forum?

    #769769
    james1852
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    @THE_Chris wrote:

    Just out of sheer and complete interest, how much would the average stencil painting of a sanctuary cost, or are you allowed to reveal that to a forum?

    Apart from revealing costs to the forum, the costing of stencilwork is a complicated process as you have to take into account many factors inc., area of the sanctuary, access scaffold ,design of stencilwork, no. of stencils to be cut out, wall measurements and positioning, no. of colours , amount of gold leaf to be applied and location of the church.There can be other factors to be included too, but basicly each sanctuary has to be looked at individually in order to give a costing .

    #769770
    Rhabanus
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    @james1852 wrote:

    This is a photo of The Sacred Heart Church , Templemore CO. Tipperary .The murals and stencilwork in this church were completely restored by us a few years ago, and now exists as a great example of how all Irish churches once looked.

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    James1852!

    CONGRATULATIONS on an absolutely stunning restoration of The Sacred Heart Church! This work is first-rate.

    I am delighted that now at last folks can point to an exemplification of murals and stencilwork characteristic of the neoGothic ideal.

    A pity that the stencilwork in the Youghal chapel was not restored along with the medallions and lateral icons.

    I hope that someone is doing a book on your firm’s projects. Now is the time to get this kind of book published. Please let us know your publishing plans.

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    Rhabanus
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    @james1852 wrote:

    This is the photo of youghal with the spire, also i include a photo of the sanctuary in youghal following decoration by us in 1925, and the same view today with the murals intact and restored but without the stencilwork. It is similar to many churches where the actuall paintings remained but the stencilwork was obliterated. It never looks right as they are left hanging in mid-air with no embellishments.

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    It strikes me as odd that although the statue of St Joseph is enshrined in a beautifully ornate Gothic niche, St Anne (or could it be Our Lady of Victory? Our Lady of the Christian Schools?) is standing on a plinth without a niche. Any idea where the statue of St Joseph and his Gothic niche ended up?

    #769772
    james1852
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    @Rhabanus wrote:

    It strikes me as odd that although the statue of St Joseph is enshrined in a beautifully ornate Gothic niche, St Anne (or could it be Our Lady of Victory? Our Lady of the Christian Schools?) is standing on a plinth without a niche. Any idea where the statue of St Joseph and his Gothic niche ended up?

    Our Lady of Victory/Our Lady of Youghal still exists at the rear of the church, I’m not sure but i think the shrine of St. Joesph is still in the church too.

    #769773
    Praxiteles
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    The statue in Youghal is that of Our Lady of Youghal – I am not sure whther it is the medieval one that survived or a copy of the same.

    I must say, looking at the present sanctuary, the roundels over the the Crucifixion and the figures at either side look ridiculous without the interlinking stencil work. But, it is important that a record exists for at some stage in the future all of this can be retrieved.

    I understand that quite a considerable amount of work has recently gone on in the interior of Youghal church. I wonder did the heritage office of Cork County Council suggest anything about the recovery of the original stencil work and decoration of the church? Or, indeed, did they even know of the problem we have?

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