reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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- February 7, 2007 at 1:59 pm #769534
Praxiteles
ParticipantThanks tot he person who brough the following link to the Ecclesiological Society to ,y attention. Nice to see that the Society is still on on the go since 1839:
February 7, 2007 at 2:05 pm #769535Praxiteles
ParticipantChurch of the Holy Innocents at Highnam, in Englan, built 1851 by T. Gambier-Parry
Ake!
Here is anoth fine example of the kind of decoration you would expect to see in a good neo gothic church:
February 7, 2007 at 6:44 pm #769536Praxiteles
ParticipantAnd here is a link to various churches in Suffolk:
February 7, 2007 at 7:04 pm #769537Praxiteles
ParticipantAke!
Re church wall-painting, here ia a link to a site that has a wonderful selection of medieval wall-paintings in English parish churches:
February 7, 2007 at 10:25 pm #769538Luzarches
ParticipantRe: Precious metal altar-frontals.
There is a beautiful late Gothic example in the duomo museum in Florence.
I was in Aachen in November and the dom has more than one frontal, the other, I think, is in the treasury. Of course, as Prax will know, the dom has a magnificent ambo of a similar design to the frontal. It’s unfortunate that the frame of the altar has been lost and replaced with wood. I think it kills it a bit..? Also a shame that the volksaltar of which it is a part has been constructed to wilfully prevent ad orientem celebration. At least it has a footpace, I suppose.
Interesting that the Nicholas of Verdun altarpiece at Klosterneuberg started life as an ambo.
February 7, 2007 at 10:56 pm #769539Praxiteles
ParticipantLuzarches!
Thanks for reminding me of the Altar Piece of Nicholas of Verdun at the abbey of Klosterneuburg near Vienna dating from c. 1180.

And here are some of the 51 panels:
February 8, 2007 at 2:06 am #769540Praxiteles
ParticipantOn the subject of painted church interiors here is an interesting link on the subject:
http://www.achome.co.uk/services/interiorrestoration.php
February 8, 2007 at 9:34 pm #769541Praxiteles
ParticipantThe church of the Holy Innocents, Highnam, Gloustershire


February 9, 2007 at 12:25 am #769542Praxiteles
ParticipantAnother example of a polychrome interior: Oulton Abbey, Stone
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February 9, 2007 at 9:23 pm #769543Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Altar of St. John the Baptist (1366-1377) made by Leonardo de Ser Giovanni and Betto di Geri for the Baptistery in Florence. It contains 400 Kgs. of silver.
February 9, 2007 at 9:26 pm #769544Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Antependium of the Order of the Golden Fleece, c. 1440.
February 9, 2007 at 9:50 pm #769545samuel j
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
The Altar of St. John the Baptist (1366-1377) made by Leonardo de Ser Giovanni and Betto di Geri for the Baptistery in Florence. It contains 400 Kgs. of silver.

Wow….. magnificent piece of work
February 9, 2007 at 10:28 pm #769546Praxiteles
ParticipantThe Altar Antependium of Grimbergen, c. 1540 conserved in the Abbey of Grimbergen in Belgium
Interestingly, the scenes depicted here are the New Testament banquet scenes attended by Our Lord: the Marriage feast of Cana; the feast at the house of Simon the Pharisee (famously painted by Veronese); The Last Supper; the supper at Emmaus, and the Supper in the house of Zaccheus
Further details of the antependium may be found here:
http://www.kikirpa.be/www2/cgi-bin/wwwopac.exe?DATABASE=object2&LANGUAGE=0&OPAC_URL=&20014717=on
February 10, 2007 at 12:52 am #769547Praxiteles
ParticipantThe golden antependium of the Abbey of Grosscomburg in Swabia dating from c. 1120 showing Christ surrounded by the twelve Aposltes and the four Evangelists.
February 10, 2007 at 1:18 am #769548samuel j
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
The golden antependium of the Abbey of Grosscomburg in Swabia dating from c. 1120 showing Christ surrounded by the twelve Aposltes and the four Evangelists.
Now thats something of beauty, inner borders of silver ..? blend beautifully
February 10, 2007 at 11:58 am #769549Praxiteles
ParticipantJust to change the subject a little, I am posting a description of Canterbury Cathedral taken from The Ecclesiologist for January 1845 deploring the lact of maintenance of the building which is ascribed to a lack of reverence for the building in turn deriving from deficient belief in the form, object and efficacy of Christian worship. By changing the dates and the names of the place one could well be referring to St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork which, unfortunately, has fallen into the hands of an equally -if not more – unlearned and uncouth clergy who are incapable even of varnishing the doors against attrition of the elements:
A beautiful stair case turret tot he south-west transept is entirely out of repair; and generally in this part the windows are broken, or their cills are vegitating wuth weeds. St. Anselm’s chapel especially requires the glazier… The northeren side, which is concealed very much by by buildings, is even deficient in rain water pipes, and the walls are streaked with green. The most valuable sculptures here are unheeded….The chapter house is in disorder, damp and littered, and looks as if it were of no use to the modern economy of the Cathedral. The cloisters are a lumber-place for ladders, tackle, and stone, in spite of the noble efforts lately made (as we understand) in its favour by one of teh canons. How unlike its former appearance , when it was used for devout meditation, its windows glazed, and its walls painted with holy texts. The state of the crypt would not suggest to anyone that it is the restimg place of some of the most illustrous primates of the English Church” .
February 10, 2007 at 8:01 pm #769550samuel j
Participant@Praxiteles wrote:
A beautiful stair case turret tot he south-west transept is entirely out of repair].
Spooky……. the gist of it, very apt to what the buffoons are responsible for at St. Colman’s. With a few amendments it could have been written last week…..
February 11, 2007 at 6:23 am #769551Rhabanus
ParticipantAs Quoheleth saith, “There is nothing new under the sun.”
Strange that the local ordinary utterly refuses to listen to the legitimate concerns and expectations of his flock and better informed clergy. Could there be dirty politics at work here? After all, who in his right mind could look at the current deplorable state of St Colman’s, register the volume and frequency of the complaints raised by the vast majority of the people within the diocese, and yet listen instead to the absurd proposals of the dotards who take up space on the inner council? How can such blindness go on?
And as for the ill-informed neophyte cleric with a four-summer-degree from an American institution, that man would do better to get himself a real education by touring the magnificent cathedrals and churches of Europe. It would profit him to take a course in ecclesiastical architecture from a reliable faculty with world-renowned expertise in these matters. Where has the young man published his views? To what ecclesiastical and scholarly societies does he belong? What, in short, are his credentials for fomenting ruinous plans for the venerable edifice of St Colman’s Cathedral?
Let the young man present his views on this site, pitting himself against such worthy stalwarts as our Praxiteles, Luzarches, and Ake. The proof, dear friends, lies in the pudding. A pity that the bishop cannot get a drift even amidst the blizzard.
Why is everyone ignoring the elephant in the parlour???
@samuel j wrote:
Spooky……. the gist of it, very apt to what the buffoons are responsible for at St. Colman’s. With a few amendments it could have been written last week…..
February 11, 2007 at 1:54 pm #769552Praxiteles
ParticipantTo understand the iconographical choice and structure of many of the Golden Altars shown above we have to examine their prototype which was the mosaic decoration of the Chapel of the Mother of God in old St. Peter’s Basilica, built by Pope John VII sometime between 705 and 707.
February 11, 2007 at 7:36 pm #769553Praxiteles
ParticipantDoes anyone know anything about what is currently going on at the Cathedral of the the Immaculate Conception and St. Nathy in Ballaghaderreen, Co. Roscommon? There were proposal for the wreckage of its interior but I have heard of their being put into operation.
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