reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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“The builders did not know the uses to which their work would descend; they made a new house with the stones of the old castle; year by year, generation after generation, they enriched and extended it; year by year the great harvest of timber in the park grew to ripeness; until, in sudden frost, came the Age of Hooper; the place was desolate and the work all brought to nothing; Quomodo sedet sola civitas. Vanity of vanities, all is vanity. “KB
KB!
Here is the likn to the text which is The Lamentations of the Prophet Jeremiah
http://benedictumxvi.va/archive/bible/nova_vulgata/documents/nova-vulgata_vt_lamentationes_lt.html
And Dante’s use of the famous phrase in his Vita Nuova
http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~harsch/italica/Cronologia/secolo14/Dante/dan_vit3.html
And forget not his famous line:
Li occhi dolenti per pietà del core
hanno di lagrimar sofferta pena,
sì che per vinti son remasi omai.
Ora, s’i’ voglio sfogar lo dolore,
che a poco a poco a la morte mi mena,
convènemi parlar traendo guai.Cum ergo venerit dominus vineae quid faciet agricolis illis?
Aiunt illi, “malos male perdet et vineam locabit aliis agricolis qui reddant ei fructum temporibus suis.”
Dicit illis Iesus, “Numquam legistis in scripturis, ‘lapidem quem reprobaverunt aedificantes hic factus est caput anguli; a Domino factum est istud, et est mirabile in oculis nostris’? Ideo dico vobis quia auferetur a vobis regnum Dei et dabitur genti facienti fructus eius et qui ceciderit super lapidem istum confringetur super quem vero ceciderit conteret eum.”
Mt 21:40-44; cf. Ps 117:22,23; Act 4:11; 1 Pt 2:7.
@Praxiteles wrote:
KB!
Here is the likn to the text which is The Lamentations of the Prophet Jeremiah
http://benedictumxvi.va/archive/bible/nova_vulgata/documents/nova-vulgata_vt_lamentationes_lt.html
And Dante’s use of the famous phrase in his Vita Nuova
http://www.fh-augsburg.de/~harsch/italica/Cronologia/secolo14/Dante/dan_vit3.html
And forget not his famous line:
Li occhi dolenti per pietà del core
hanno di lagrimar sofferta pena,
sì che per vinti son remasi omai.
Ora, s’i’ voglio sfogar lo dolore,
che a poco a poco a la morte mi mena,
convènemi parlar traendo guai.The drawings below show the evolution of the Rose Window in from approximately 1150 to 1485.
– 1. The West Rose of Peterborough Cathedral dating from c. 1150.
– 2. The West Rose at Chartres dating from c. 1215 which still retains the colonettes.
– 3. The West Rose at Laon dating from c. 1200.
– 4. The Rayonnant West Rose at Notre Dame de Paris dating from c. 1245.
– 5. The Flamboyant Rose of the Sainte Chapelle dating from c. 1485.
From the above, we can situate the prototype for the West Rose in Cobh Cathedral as dating from the period c. 1200-1215 and suggest that it was probably the West Rose at Chartres.
Fearg wrote:Some shots of Notre Dame de Paris in March 2004 – the crossing was being re-ordered at this time:I think that the crossing had been reordered some time before that; there were new stone steps and a fixed beaten bronze altar there when I visited in 1991. Have they sine done something new? Anyone know?
Now the old sanctuary is a total dog’s breakfast. V-le-Duc was completely undone by having to retain part of Robert de Cotte’s appalingly insensitive and destructive 18th century scheme, or such parts that had survived the revolutionary period, and then add pieces in a strangely bloodless and mechanistic neo-Gothic.
A (rare) occasion when a clean-sweep would have been preferable.
Luzarches wrote:Fearg wrote:Some shots of Notre Dame de Paris in March 2004 – the crossing was being re-ordered at this time:I think that the crossing had been reordered some time before that]
Dead-on, Luzarches. A dog’s breakfast it is. Can the incumbent of Cloyne and his crew be sent into exile in Paris?
The great West Window of Cobh Cathedral whose subject is the Vision of the Throne of God taken from the Apocalypse of St. John (4:1-11). The subject is Our Lord seated in glory, sourrounded by the elders, clad in white teguments and crowns of gold. Around the throne are the the four living creatures (symbolic of the found evangelists): the lion, the ox, the man, and the soaring eagle. As they cry out Holy Holy Holy is the Lord God Almighty Who was, Who is, and Who is to come , they cast down their crowns before the throne and pay homage to Christ. The inner circle depicts the twelve Apostles. The outer circle depicts the saints in glory.
For comparative purposes, juxtaposing the Wst Rose of Cobh Cathedral (left) with the West Rose of Chartres Cathedral (right) will allow us to see the obvious similarities in the geometric structure and in the tracery of both windows.
A further link to information on Chartres:
http://www.paradoxplace.com/Photo%20Pages/France/Chartres/Chartres%20Cathedral.htm
The West Facade of Chartres Cathedral:
Here we see the Great Rose situated within a square and, at this early stage, not jet integrated into the overall facade.
The facade at Chartres was originally gabled above the lancets and was an early Gothic completion of the romanesque nave. The rose was added with the nave’s rebuilding, hence the slightly clunky composition.
The West Facade of Laon Cathedral completed in 1220:
Here is an example of how the Rose begins to be integrated into the overall facade by being recessed into a deep arch – a feature which also influenced the West Facade of Cobh Cathedral – and by the shedding of the square surround.
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A further evolution in the integration of the Rose into the cathedral facade is Rheims. Here the problem of having a circle inserted into a pointed arch is solved for the first time by inserting fillets above the circumference of the Rose.
Cathedral of Notre Dame de Mantes (1170-1220):
The West facade with its central arch incorporating portal, lancets and rose – a feature taken over directly to the West facade of Cobh Cathedral and used by E.W. Pugin at Dadizele, Gorton and Barton-on-Irwell; and by G.C. Ashlin in St. Mary’s, Mallow, Co. Cork.
For further views of Mantes see here:
http://www.johnjames.com.au/gpa-mantes/gpa-mantes-index.shtml
Laon Cathedral 1180-1215
http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/ha/related_sites/laon_360/index.html
Luzarches wrote:Fearg wrote:Some shots of Notre Dame de Paris in March 2004 – the crossing was being re-ordered at this time:I think that the crossing had been reordered some time before that]
Here is Viollet-le-Duc’s hypothetical reconstruction of the medieval sanctuary of Notre Dame de Paris as published in his Dictionnaire raisonné de l’Architecture francaise du XI au XVI siècle.
Some further inofrmation on Mantes Cathedral:
http://www.musimem.com/mantes.htm
http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/ha/html/medieval_mantes-la-jolie_choir.htm
http://www.mcah.columbia.edu/ha/html/medieval_mantes-la-jolie_west_end.htm
@Gianlorenzo wrote:
Lee Wong
May I ask why don’t you want to start a campaign to save your Cathedral?
A parishioner has now written a letter to the bishop about the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Albany, NY. A letter from the Cathedral Pastoral Advisory Council may follow.
A Letter to Bishop Howard J. Hubbard
Leo Wong
@LeoWong wrote:
A parishioner has now written a letter to the bishop about the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Albany, NY. A letter from the Cathedral Pastoral Advisory Council may follow.
A Letter to Bishop Howard J. Hubbard
Leo Wong
Great News Leo. I hope other parishioners will now back this courageous lady and let their bishop know how they feel also.
@LeoWong wrote:
A parishioner has now written a letter to the bishop about the Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception in Albany, NY. A letter from the Cathedral Pastoral Advisory Council may follow.
A Letter to Bishop Howard J. Hubbard
Leo Wong
You have my full sympathy, Leo, but I fear that it will require more than Mrs W-S-‘s letter, worthy as it is, and that of the Pastoral Advisory Council to rout the wreckovators. Take a leaf from the faithful congregation of The Church of Our Lady in Guelph, Ontario. There the pastor had already commissioned Fr V to present his plans for that proposed ‘renovation.’ The faithful had to rise up and inform the pastor than no further funds would be forthcoming if he pursued the proposal. It took more than a few letters for that message to get through. When the pastor finally backed down and decided to restore rather than modernise the church, the parish ended up having to pay the ‘architect’ something in the area of $50,000.00 -just for the plans!
If the bishop has already commissioned the architect, then you will have to be more assertive in your opposition to the proposed plan.
All the best in your efforts to retain the integrity of your church.
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