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    Praxiteles
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    The Basilica of Oul Lady, Dadizele in West Flanders

    The Great West Rose

    #769395
    Praxiteles
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    JJ McCarthy’s West Rose Window at Maynooth College Chapel

    #769396
    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Yes, I think the time has arrived to turn up the heat on the issue of the shameful neglect and casual vandalism of Cobh Cathedral. I am inclined to propose a coalition of interested conservationist groups: An Taisce, The Irish Georgian Society, the Pugin Society, the Victorian Society, and the FOSCC. An umbrella group such as this will certainly move the indolent pot-sitters in Cobh Urban District Council and in the Cathedral Restoration Steering Committee.

    Three cheers for Prax and the victory of Common Sense! Turn up that heat, and rout the parade of poltroons, popinjays, and parvenues who are allowing the magnificent cathedral of St Colman’s, Cobh, to crumble around them. Whilst the poltroons take their leisure, and the popinjays strut their plumage, and the parvenues indulge their taste for the vulgar, such a coalition of well-respected and responsible groups would soon put an end to the St Colman’s Follies. Hold them to account for the debacle of decay and desuetude threatening the very existence of that world-heritage site! ADVANCE!!!

    And do look into the possibility of having St Colman’s declared a world-heritage site. It remains a unique masterpiece of 19th-cent. neo-Gothic architecture.

    #769397
    Praxiteles
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    JJ McCarthy’s Maynooth College Chapel

    Rose Window (exterior)

    #769398
    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    JJ McCarthy’s Maynooth College Chapel

    Rose Window (exterior)

    A pity that those niches are not filled with statues of Irish saints!

    #769399
    Praxiteles
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    The money ran out. Fortunately another example of a similar gallery at Monaghan Cathedral did have its statues installed.

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    Praxiteles
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    #769401
    Rhabanus
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    Some stunning examples to be sure. The modern samples, though, seem to me a complete waste of time, effort , and expense.

    I am intrigued by the Catherine wheels which show up in many of them.

    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Interesting studies of Rose WIndows:

    http://images.google.ie/imgres?imgurl=http://static.flickr.com/72/186416982_3fe8f67186_t.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/tags/rosewindow/&h=100&w=79&sz=8&hl=en&start=13&tbnid=vH_R2s9T-PRZAM:&tbnh=82&tbnw=65&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dmaynooth%2Bcollege%2Bchapel%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN

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    Praxiteles
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    A detail of the Great West Rose by JJ McCarthy at Maynooth College Chapel

    #769403
    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    The money ran out. Fortunately another example of a similar gallery at Monaghan Cathedral did have its statues installed.

    Strange it is indeed that the money failed for that project. Why could funds be found, instead, for the wreckovated St Mary’s “oratory” or whatever it is called, with its relentless horizontalism not to mention that unspeakably ridiculous (and disturbing) cloistral garden of The Nature Boy.

    Give me Irish saints any day over that trash!

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    Rhabanus
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    A detail of the Great West Rose by JJ McCarthy at Maynooth College Chapel

    Absolutely glorious! The photo reveals remarkable detail. This represents the highest achievement of true ecclesiastical art.

    As the hippies, yippies, and yahoos used to sing in the 1960s, “Where have all the flowers gone?”

    #769405
    Rhabanus
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    I mean, are people really blind?? Is the difference between a splendid rose window like that in the west facade of Maynooth, and the sordid oratory thrown together in the seminary like the wreck of the Hesperus not evident even to the most casual observer?

    Does one have to have a mitre placed on one’s head before low, common garbage begins to look like art and the apogee of iconographic art begins to bore?

    Is it a loss of faith or of one’s mind that accounts for such base hankering-after the indisputably UGLY?

    #769406
    Praxiteles
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    @Rhabanus wrote:

    I mean, are people really blind?? Is the difference between a splendid rose window like that in the west facade of Maynooth, and the sordid oratory thrown together in the seminary like the wreck of the Hesperus not evident even to the most casual observer?

    Does one have to have a mitre placed on one’s head before low, common garbage begins to look like art and the apogee of iconographic art begins to bore?

    Is it a loss of faith or of one’s mind that accounts for such base hankering-after the indisputably UGLY?

    To the last queston the answer must be BOTH!

    #769407
    Praxiteles
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    A detail of the Great West Rose by JJ McCarthy at Maynooth College Chapel

    The president of Maynooth College responsible for the decoration of the College Chapel was Robert Browne who would also bring the building of Cobh Cathedral to completion.

    The West Rose was installed in 1890. The glass was designed and made by the Lonodn firm of Lavers and Westlake. The window was the gift of Gerald Molloy, Rector of the Catholic University of Dublin; and of Denis Gargan, Vice- President of Maynooth.

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    Praxiteles
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    Courtesy of someone we know, here is a view of the facade of the College Chapel at Maynooth

    #769409
    Fearg
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    @Rhabanus wrote:

    A pity that those niches are not filled with statues of Irish saints!

    Interestingly, a similar McCarthy facade, this time at St Saviour’s, Dublin, also has an empty gallery, the tracery seems to be virtually identical to Dadizele:

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    #769410
    samuel j
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Yes, I think the time has arrived to turn up the heat on the issue of the shameful neglect and casual vandalism of Cobh Cathedral. I am inclined to propose a coalition of interested conservationist groups: An Taisce, The Irish Georgian Society, the Pugin Society, the Victorian Society, and the FOSCC. An umbrella group such as this will certainly move the indolent pot-sitters in Cobh Urban District Council and in the Cathedral Restoration Steering Committee.

    Fully agree, the pot-sitters have had all the time in the world and all the money, (much of which has been squandered and wasted)

    #769411
    Praxiteles
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    Thanks Ferg. I was just getting to St. Saviour’s, Dominic Street, Dublin but find it impossible to get anything of an inside view of the Rose WIndow. You would not have anything by any chance?

    #769412
    Fearg
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    @Praxiteles wrote:

    Thanks Ferg. I was just getting to St. Saviour’s, Dominic Street, Dublin but find it impossible to get anything of an inside view of the Rose WIndow. You would not have anything by any chance?

    Here you go – unfortunately the sun was shining directly on it, so could not get any detail.. btw, the organ is a mess, look at those buckled pipes.. those obscuring the bottom left of the window should not even be there.. if you notice, they were not present in the picture you posted yourself.

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    #769413
    Praxiteles
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    Sts Peter and Paul’s, Kilmallock, Co. Limerick by JJ. McCarthy

    I am inclined to think that the Rose Window here is also influenced by the North Rose at Laon Cathedral.

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