reorganisation and destruction of irish catholic churches
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The Monastery of St. Francis, Gorton, Manchester by E.W. Pugin (1863-1867)
Some news concerni g Gorton Monastery, another church to be viewed in relation to Cobh, St. Peter and Paul’s, Clonakilty and St, Augustine and John’s:
@Praxiteles wrote:
St. Augustine and St John’s, Thomas Street, Dublin.
To start the ball rolling, here are a couple of shots of the exterior of this church designed by Pugin and Ashlin in 1860. The iron work is by McGloughlin, the mosaic by Oppenheimer, the stone work by Pearce -all of whom were employed in Cobh Cathedral.
The triumphal arch into which portal and nave window are recessed is evident here. It would later be repeated in Cobh Cathedral.
The Nave window, with an inset smaller Rose (closely resembling the South Rose in Cobh) is closer to St. Peter amnd Paul’s in Cork.
Couple of shots of the interior available at the following link:
St. Augustine and St John’s, Thomas Street, Dublin
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2146879290082721655LGvizeWould I be correct in thinking that the church is almost as lofty as Cobh, but that the triforium has been sacraficed for a larger scaled nave arcade?
@Praxiteles wrote:
The Monastery of St. Francis, Gorton, Manchester by E.W. Pugin (1863-1867)
Some news concerni g Gorton Monastery, another church to be viewed in relation to Cobh, St. Peter and Paul’s, Clonakilty and St, Augustine and John’s:
The high altar and reredos at Gorton seem very different to those in the other churches currently being discussed. In Gorton, I do not think the mensa of the altar was ever attached to the reredos.. so had teh churtch not closed, it would not have required any tampering! I do hope the drawing is made available on the net.
Thanks Ferg for those pictures of the interior of Sts. Augustine and John’s. They give a good idea of just how striking it is and, fortunately, still fairly well in tact.
The Pilgrimage Church of Our Lady of Dadizele, Belgium
The foundation stone was laid by Monsigneur Malou on 8th. September 1859. The church was consecrated in 1880. Heavily shelled during the World War I, it was re-built by Monsigneur Waffelaert between 1920 and 1924. It was further damaged during Wordl War II and again restored. A full scale restoration of the Basilica began in 1998.
The other great church built by E.W. Pugin and which was built on a par with Cobh Cathedral was the pilgrimage church of Our Lady at Dadizele in Belgium. Unfortunately, it was bombed during the First World War. The church was rebuilt after the war but not as splendidly as when originally built. Just start counting the similarities with Cobh, St. Peter and Paul’s in Cork, St. Augustine and St. John in Dublin, Gorton in Manchester, and also E.W. Pugin’s church at Barton on Irwill also near Manchester.
@Praxiteles wrote:
Thanks Ferg for those pictures of the interior of Sts. Augustine and John’s. They give a good idea of just how striking it is and, fortunately, still fairly well in tact.
The absence of a pulpit seems to be the main loss, along with the altar gates..
@Fearg wrote:
The absence of a pulpit seems to be the main loss, along with the altar gates..
As at Clonakilty.
@Praxiteles wrote:
As at Clonakilty.
How about that small niche above the rose window? I note that it is filled with a statue. Is it Our Lady? Our Lady as a child? I cannot see it very well.
What are the particular iconographic attributes of the Madonna to whom the church is dedicated?
@Rhabanus wrote:
How about that small niche above the rose window? I note that it is filled with a statue. Is it Our Lady? Our Lady as a child? I cannot see it very well.
What are the particular iconographic attributes of the Madonna to whom the church is dedicated?
That must be Our Lady although I cannot be sure as the photograph is not too clear.
@Praxiteles wrote:
That must be Our Lady although I cannot be sure as the photograph is not too clear.
At first I thought it was St Anne and the Blessed Virgin, but the statue seems to represent a single figure. It doesn’t seem to fit the niche with the precision of the statues on the lower rank.
St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Some views of the glass in the Rose and lancets of the South Window:
Is it ok to post pictures of irish churches with nothing to do with cobh or pugin?
@Fearg wrote:
Couple of shots of the interior available at the following link:
St. Augustine and St John’s, Thomas Street, Dublin
http://travel.webshots.com/photo/2146879290082721655LGvizeWould I be correct in thinking that the church is almost as lofty as Cobh, but that the triforium has been sacraficed for a larger scaled nave arcade?
Another nave spoiled by idiotic colors
Thank you, Prax, for the excellent photo-tour of Our Lady Dadizele in Belgium. Have you noticed that in spite of the dominance of the Gothic arch on the West facade and on the South walls and clerestory, the arch enshrining the gorgeous rose window of the South transept is actually Roman, not Gothic? I wonder what the architect was saying by this. Is it a nod, for example, to an earlier church in Romanesque style that eventually yielded to a Gothic or Neo-Gothic successor? Perhaps a melange resulting from reconstruction after The Great War?
Am I incorrect in suspecting that the same Roman arch over a rose window, which we see on the South facade of OL Dadizele, Belgium, bears a striking resemblance to that on the main facade of the parish church in Mallow Co., Cork? Do any of you architects out there understand what E.W.Pugin was communicating through this arrangement?
Re: St Mary’s Church, Mallow, Co. Cork
There is no doubt whatsoever that both the arch on the facade in Mallow and that on the South facade in Dadizele are very similar.
@ake wrote:
Is it ok to post pictures of irish churches with nothing to do with cobh or pugin?
Another nave spoiled by idiotic colorsI for one would welcome material from churches throughout the country. Indeed, there are some particular horrors in the Waterford/Kilkenny area due to a fellow called Costello. Work right ahead…
St. Colman’s Cathedral, Cobh, Co. Cork
Some shots of the present condition of the external doors to the North and South transepts.
After spending £4 million we are left with nothing but decay and degredation.
Utterly disgraceful! No need for such shameful neglect. Pure passive aggression.
How long, O Lord, how long???
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