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  • #784095
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    I was talking to a photographer who was exhibiting at the recent Dublin Bicycle Festival, and he said that a few months ago he was on Mayor Street taking photos of the feet of passers-by – and using a tripod – when a guard in a hi-vis jacket approached him to tell him that photography was not permitted and that he had to pack up his equipment and leave the area. As he was walking towards Connolly Stn, there was a different hi-vis security guard at each junction making sure he didn’t dally on his way out, i.e. the original guard must have radioed all of his colleagues telling them to keep an eye out for this fella as he left.

    The place is so dull it must have been the highlight of their day, though. “At last!! Something to do!!”

    (Now there’s always the chance that there isn’t a rule against it [any more?], but that didn’t stop the guards from telling him that it was forbidden. A bit like cycling… [seriously- there are signs!])

    #784096
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    Thanks for that Ctesiphon. As I say, I thought it was a thing of the past. Must be still enforced though.

    #784097
    Anonymous
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    @ctesiphon wrote:

    I was talking to a photographer who was exhibiting at the recent Dublin Bicycle Festival, and he said that a few months ago he was on Mayor Street taking photos of the feet of passers-by – and using a tripod – when a guard in a hi-vis jacket approached him to tell him that photography was not permitted and that he had to pack up his equipment and leave the area. As he was walking towards Connolly Stn, there was a different hi-vis security guard at each junction making sure he didn’t dally on his way out, i.e. the original guard must have radioed all of his colleagues telling them to keep an eye out for this fella as he left.

    Yeah but would they ever go off the main road in the IFSC. Not on your life. I remember living in Custom House square and the apartments would be stoned every weekend by kids living in the flats behind. The guards would never leave the main street to come around. It’s all for appearance.:mad:

    #784098
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    Is there not a long-standing legal agreement in place with IFSC in relation to the office rentals there that was intended to provide an ongoing revenue stream that would subsidise a cultural/museum use in chq/Stack A? If so, what is to happen to the fund that has been built up and should grow ‘forever’ now that that building has gone commercial? Anybody know?

    #784099
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    Dublin is over-populated with museums? What foolishness is this? First, I don’t actually believe it and b) the main suggestion for the Stack A was a science museum and that is an attraction for children and for children Dublin is not over-populated with anything except the children themselves. The business the zoo does is amazing until you realize that’s it for Saturday morning attractions near the city centre. The government obviously agreed, since it is now supporting a children’s museum elsewhere, but as an excuse for loosing the levy, this is foolishness.

    I think her comment on the dock is annoying too, yes, relative to the original stupidy of filling it with rubble and occasionally putting a platform on it, yes, building the abbey might be a convenience, but a better plan would have been to not fill it with rubble in the first place.

    Pity you didn’t ask about travellers, I am sure it would have caught her by suprise, it is sad noone seems to be thinking about this.

    #784100
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    @trace wrote:

    Is there not a long-standing legal agreement in place with IFSC in relation to the office rentals there that was intended to provide an ongoing revenue stream that would subsidise a cultural/museum use in chq/Stack A? If so, what is to happen to the fund that has been built up and should grow ‘forever’ now that that building has gone commercial? Anybody know?

    There is indeed although i think the fund only comes on stream when a museum is built

    #784101
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    Just to clarify, when I mentioned the Beacon Tower I meant the one in the point village, name escapes me.

    I hadn’t forgotten about the Traveller question but she wrapped up proceedings beforoe I got the chance. The natives were getting a bit restless with regards to the saftey of the roads on the south quays with regards to no public transport or proper footpaths and trucks trundling up and down all day. She seemed a bity uncomfortable at the proposition that the area is an accident waiting to happen.

    There were lots of questions about the non availability of cash machines though. I guess each has their own priorities.

    #784102
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    Rusty Cogs: To clarify; I didn’t mean to imply I thought you were remiss in not asking about Travellers, just that it was a pity you didn’t get a chance. Thanks for letting us know what you heard at this meeting!

    I agree with the locals about the atm machines, when I lived in the area I found it wierd, all these banks and no cash. As for public transport, the buses are too irregular for people to bother using them, because noone bothers using them the frequency is low and hence they are irregular, its a chicken and egg. I assume that they will send some of the north strand buses down the east wall road, along the key and across the becket bridge when there is a becket bridge. I was suprised that there was no move to run the luas on from the point to the east point, bp a million people work there.

    #784103
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    @trace wrote:

    Is there not a long-standing legal agreement in place with IFSC in relation to the office rentals there that was intended to provide an ongoing revenue stream that would subsidise a cultural/museum use in chq/Stack A? If so, what is to happen to the fund that has been built up and should grow ‘forever’ now that that building has gone commercial? Anybody know?

    The fund will not grow “forever” as it has not been sèt up yet. It is only to be charged when a valid museum emerges. The levy, charged at €0.63 per sq ft, would have raised an estimated €1 million per annum.
    I think it is still technically possible for it to be set up. But it will not be in the location originally earmarked – Stack-A

    “In appraising options for the cultural element of the development a broad range of proposals was considered by the Docklands Authority and in particular, several museum type proposals were put to the Authority. This kind of operation had been anticipated by the Custom House Docks Development Authority who had arranged for a subvention payment for an IFSC based museum, in IFSC leases. The contribution would equate to circa €1 million p.a. if charged. It was decided that the various museum type proposals were insufficient in their power to attract visitors when operating in the Stack A centre, or were otherwise a poor fit to the overall project, or to the open bright form of the conserved building, and none was selected. No museum proposal was found to be secure financially even with the benefit of the available subvention. The subvention remains valid should a museum proposal emerge in the IFSC at a later date. “

    That was the situation in the press release in September, 2002

    Around about that time there was a lot of idle office space in the area, and in Dublin in general so it may have been felt that pushing this would make the docklands uncompetitive. The shift in policy was formalised when “Stack A Museum” which had been registered with the CRO (company registration office) on November 1999 was taken over by chq Events Ltd (registered Feb 2003)in 2003. The DDDA holds 100% of the issued share capital chq Events Ltd.

    I am not aware of any efforts to access the subvention since.

    #784104
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    Thanks, Lotts. Unbelievable, isn’t it?

    #784105
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    Just was down in the IFSC last nught, i have not been down there in a few months! I was actually looking at a house around Ballybough, my god what a contrast from the fenced-in IFSC. Run down does not even begin to describe it. However from Annesley (sp?) bridge it seemed that there is a vast and i mean vast amount of 5-6 storey sprawl edging its way out of the IFSC/Sherrif street area. It looked quite monstrous.

    Good to see the ‘Point village devepment area’ marked out on the on-street map of the IFSC area – and finally i know where everything else is in relation to each other.

    #784106
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    Cripes but it can be hard to keep up with all these threads on the Docklands! Anyway, this seems to be the most appropriate place for this, a letter to today’s Irish Times:

    Madam, – Writing about “cultivating a cultural dockland” (The Irish Times, September 5th), Brian O’Connell states that Stack A in the IFSC was earmarked for cultural activity.

    Stack A was designated the major cultural anchor and public amenity in the IFSC, as stipulated in the terms of the CHDDA Master Project Agreement 1988, and the Planning Schemes of 1994 and 1998, and the Dublin Docklands Area Master Plan 1997. A subvention or mandatory payment of €1.5 to €2 million a year, conditional on the installation of a museum in Stack A, is included in the lease agreements of all tenants of the IFSC. However, the cultural and monetary value of the Stack A site has vanished: it is now CHQ, a fully retail commercial centre, having been refurbished to the tune of €25 million of taxpayers’ money.

    DDDA planning schemes are exempt from the need to obtain planning permission under the Local Government Planning and Development Acts, 1963-1999 and the Planning and Development Act, 2000. This leeway allows a shift from stated objectives for specific land uses to more general ambiguities – “global objectives”. A factor of intentionality (“we intend to”) can dilute, alter, or cancel planning commitments to public amenities.

    On the basis of our experience in lobbying the CHDDA/DDDA for cultural amenities in the Docklands, we would be sceptical about future promises. So far, the benefit margin has tilted toward business and development interests. The resurrection of the museum element for the IFSC would be a contribution to the overall plan for cultural amenities and we devoutly look to this. – Yours, etc,

    ROSEMARY KEVANY,

    Discovery, (Dublin Interactive Science Centre Project),

    Killiney,

    Co Dublin.

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