Question to DDDA at 1pm TODAY
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- August 15, 2006 at 1:17 pm #708840
Rusty Cogs
ParticipantI’m going to a DDDA presentation at 1pm today. Anyone got any good questions I can throw at them (if I get the opportunity). If not I’ll let you know what they said in their presentation after.
August 15, 2006 at 1:24 pm #784076Anonymous
InactiveWhen are they going to start work on Macken Street.
What ever happened to the framework plan for the Erne Street-Westland Row area?
Whats the story with the conference centre?
Isnt the Bolands Mill proposal absolutely awful. Will they object?
Can they do something about the crappy campshires at Georges Quay…its an eyesore.
Any plans for the older bridges in the area.
Just do your best Rusty Cogs!!! Thats all your website can ask of you!
August 15, 2006 at 1:34 pm #784077Anonymous
Inactivepoint out that the proposed bridge over the canal locks adjacent to the liffey and u2 tower will take really take away from what will be a small village at the end of the quays , and there are other options.
OBJECT (thump them) over the wisdom to fill in the dock in favour of the canal for the abbey
ask them to keep the two shed on the south of the liffey. they could really be put to good use. like a restaurant or night club. there is a shed on the inner dock which looks very well, (i think it is a restaurant) . and they nicely balance the two modern restaurants on the northside quay.
August 15, 2006 at 1:43 pm #784078Anonymous
Inactiveas with a boyle – tell them not to fill in the dock, ask them why they didn’t persue a proper cultural attraction for the stack a, ask them what the plans are for the old pidgeon house and . . .
. . . ask them if they have any plans for culturally appropriate traveller accomadation, the docklands are one of the few places in the city where there is (was) a well established traveller family, it would be precident setting and valuable if they could work out how to accomadate them in the context of intensive, commercial, urban development.
August 15, 2006 at 1:57 pm #784079Anonymous
InactiveYou could try and find out why they don’t put in straight uninterrupted cycle lanes in the camphires rather than the go.chicane. stop.start.out on road.back again.stop.chicane.stop.start version we have now. The lanes seem designed to needlessly frustrate.
Go quick now, it’s quarter to one!
August 15, 2006 at 1:57 pm #784080Anonymous
InactiveAsk them to explain the concept of privately owned ‘public space’ (so-called).
And ask why photography is not permitted within the DDDA functional area (I kid you not).
And ask under what legislation the locking of bicycles to railings is forbidden.
August 15, 2006 at 2:12 pm #784081Anonymous
InactiveAh, maybe I’ll just congratulate them on a job well done 😉
August 15, 2006 at 7:48 pm #784082Anonymous
InactiveOK guys, went to the presentation. Nothing ground breaking to report but I have to ask before I divulge. Is there any come back on me from the DDDA if I start paraphrasing them, discussing what was said etc. Don’t want to get my ass sued and all that ?
August 15, 2006 at 8:20 pm #784083Anonymous
Inactiveuse the word alleged. it is what politicians do
August 16, 2006 at 10:09 am #784084Anonymous
Inactive“The DDDA were quoted as saying..”
August 16, 2006 at 11:25 am #784085Anonymous
Inactive“My understanding of their position – and I’m open to correction on this – is that…”
Anyway, what’d they do? Look up ‘Cogs, Rusty’ in the phone book?;)
August 16, 2006 at 1:27 pm #784086Anonymous
InactiveIf the meeting was not subject to a confidentiality clause and you state accurately what was said rather than your personal idea of what they said they can’t sue you. Interesting point from the Beverly Cooper Flynn legal trial was that you can’t be defamed if you don’t have a reputation. Does the ddda have one:D
August 16, 2006 at 1:36 pm #784087Anonymous
InactiveThe venerable house of Cogs indeed.
OK, to the best of my recollection, but I could be wrong, they never said any of this etc etc.
I asked about the wisdom of filling in Georges Dock for the Abbey. She stated that it wasn’t going to be filled in but the Abbey built in the centre of it with a moat effect around the sides. The cost of continually draining and refilling the dock for current shows was proving costly. She thought the loss of the water body, historic docklands feature would be outwayed by the benefits of having the national theatre in the docklands.
I asked if it was a good idea to anchor the CHQ with a department store and would a cultural (say Museum) anchor tennent not be better. She agreed but said that their studies showed that Dublin was over populated with Museums and although she would have liked something similar to go in there after three years of trying it just never happened.
I asked if the hight restrictions in the north Lotts would be raised now that the Point Village Tower was going to be 100m and the current hight levels in the IFSC meant that there was not sufficient density of people to create a 24 hour urban environment. She said (ED;as far as I remember, I could be wrong) that the hight restrictions would be revised to allow taller buildings down there now that the bar had been raised by the Beacon Tower.
I asked why the cycle lanes were so badly designed with chicanes and a stop start approach. She didn’t give much of a response on this (not sure how much cycling she does). I pressed the point that if there was any more development on the campshires that they should have clear destinctions between path ways and cycle ways with signs showing who should be where (and no more chicanes). I hammered this point home a bit but the crowd began to grown so we moved on.
Within the presentation the mentioned the following (or maybe I imagined it)
They are not sure as what to do with the BJ Marine buildings on the soutern campshires but recognise their current state cannot be left.
The Luas will take about three years before it gets down to the point.
The Macken St. (Beckett) bridge guys should be on site very soon (a month maybe) to start to prep the site for the bridge build. Also to take about three years.
There are no immediate plans to run buses down the southside. Could be another 3 years (noticing a pattern hear yet ?) before Dubin Bus puts in a route.
The bridge connecting Britain Quay and York road will only carry buses (this wasn’t very clear so not sure what the purpose of building a bridge for only buses is). It will take guess how long ? 3 years.
The Liebskin theatre will take 5 years but the fancy red & green instillation will be finished next year.
The U2 Tower is out to tender as we know.
The national conference centre build is a matter being discussed by Treasury and the government at the moment
I didn’t get to ask about the Travellers or Bolands mill (not even sure if that site is within their remit).
August 16, 2006 at 1:48 pm #784088Anonymous
InactiveMight we ask who ‘she’ was?:)
August 16, 2006 at 1:50 pm #784089Anonymous
Inactivewell done for going . it would seem to have been the normal state agency meeting.
Create the impression of openess and interaction, while giving next to nothing away and changing none of your decisions.
August 16, 2006 at 1:51 pm #784090Anonymous
InactiveCan’t remember her name 😮 . From the marketing department (hence being hazy on details regarding design,construction).
They are also revamping their website and there will be a facility to email queries to the DDDA.
August 16, 2006 at 2:30 pm #784091Anonymous
InactiveIt sounded interesting enough…its alwys good to hear progress reports. In fairness anything major to announce would have been done in a much more media focused environment. So 3 years is our next big deadline…. it was 5 years a few years back. Perhaps we should organise a big party for 2010!
August 16, 2006 at 5:07 pm #784092Anonymous
InactiveRusty Cogs wrote:The venerable house of Cogs indeed.OK, to the best of my recollection, but I could be wrong, they never said any of this etc etc.
I asked about the wisdom of filling in Georges Dock for the Abbey. She stated that it wasn’t going to be filled in but the Abbey built in the centre of it with a moat effect around the sides. The cost of continually draining and refilling the dock for current shows was proving costly. She thought the loss of the water body, historic docklands feature would be outwayed by the benefits of having the national theatre in the docklands.
I asked if it was a good idea to anchor the CHQ with a department store and would a cultural (say Museum) anchor tennent not be better. She agreed but said that their studies showed that Dublin was over populated with Museums and although she would have liked something similar to go in there after three years of trying it just never happened.
I asked if the hight restrictions in the north Lotts would be raised now that the Point Village Tower was going to be 100m and the current hight levels in the IFSC meant that there was not sufficient density of people to create a 24 hour urban environment. She said (ED]
Thanks for that:) Just her reference to the Beacon Tower: Is this the one in Sandyford? Is it under construction? I dont see how they could use that as guidence to how high they want to go in the Docklands if its not even under construction yet. Also good to see clarification on the Georges Dock site. I thought the body of water in its entireity would disappear.:)
August 17, 2006 at 1:02 am #784093Anonymous
InactiveWOW! 17 posts before the first high-rise plugger came in!
Must be a record for a docklands thread!!
August 17, 2006 at 10:31 am #784094Anonymous
Inactive@ctesiphon wrote:
And ask why photography is not permitted within the DDDA functional area (I kid you not).
Is this still the case? I rembember something about it a few years ago, but I thought it had been relaxed now. Have you had recent experience of being stopped?
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