Point Village
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TBH, In my view, there is no such thing as a ‘gateway’. I think the planners, when they want tall buildings, just mention that concept to appease the inevitable objectors. I dont think the DDDA really believe that once these buildings are built it is going to give some dramatic maritime gateway to Dublin. Thats just seems rediculous. Rather I think they will try to present these buildings as a stepping stone to higher buildings down the line at other points toward the docks. I think once the 100m barrier is broken alot of people will get over this nonsense about Georgian Dublin being destroyed by a couple of tall buildings. These buildings wont even be visible from Georgian Dublin and yet thats one of the objections going around against tall buildings in the Grand Canal Docks area.
None of the heritage groups ever objected to tall buildings in the Grand Canal Dock area. Therefore to suggest that heritage groups have an objection to tall buildings is dishonest.
What heritage groups do object to are poor quality buildings being sited where heritage buildings could suffer negative impacts.
The building proposed for Point Village doesn’t look great; it is a building that doesn’t really define itself as being much more than a form clad in glass.
Something like http://www.panpeninsula.com makes a much more confident contribution.
I never said any paricular groups were critiscising plans for Grand Canal Docks. Mostly local objectors pointing out an impact on Georgian Dublin to Bord Pleanala even for rediculously small buildings like the Malt House. I remember the objections to that. Comical in fact. It could hardly be called ‘highrise’! Also remember Treasury’s original plan for Spencer Dock? The one good thing is that BP did not throw it out on the basis of Georgian Dublin being cited as vulnerable by an 80 metre construction on the North side of the Liffey! NIMBYism is as strong as it ever was in Dublin and people will point to anything to get something stopped.
RE: Heritage Groups. If I am completely honest I think heritage groups in Dublin are against high rise full stop, the vast majority of them anyway.
Anyway back on topic, I agree nothing inspiring here with the new plan:(
@Peter FitzPatrick wrote:
there needs to be some scaling up around both & preferably not exactly symmetrical DDDA ! otherwise its just gonna look like two big dicks :rolleyes:
Yes, brilliantly put!
I like the new design , a little bland, hopefully the next round of changes will improve that………..
Maybe its just me but I dont really like the cage type structure at the top. The garden idea looks fine IMO. At least the building is bulkier as well.
Point Village
Planning Approved
Full section 25 planning permission has been received for this existing development and construction has commenced.
—It looks exactly the same as Heuston Gate! 😮
It’s bad enough that practically every new office development in north Dublin city centre looks identical, at least those are max 6/7 stories. If these two look the same then there’ll be no escaping the mediocrity!
I’m not an architect, but I imagine a fairly large number of posters/observers here are…is it de rigeur nowadays to not have many original ideas?Yawn, I can’t believe they brought in English architects to improve the design and that’s what they ended up with.
blah, the current u2 tower proposal is bad, this point tower is terrible. When you look some of the proposals for residential skyscrapers around the world today, these proposals pale in comparison. Both of these projects should be amazing proposals and serve as an inspiration for more skyscrapers in dublin… and they look sh*t.
I would not rush to criticise it simply because those renders are poor in quality. Some computer generated images of it against the skyline would be helpful. Actually it may not look to bad at all if the glazing looks nice.
Also it may look small there but against the surrounding skyline even a 120m building will look big indeed.
darkman, I showed it around my office today and the amount of people who compared it to the Ballymun towers is phenomenal. That’s not a good advertisement for a building.
yeh but jdivision, many Irish people, when confronted with any residential building over 4 storeys ,compare it to Ballymun. Unless of course you work with architects and planners? then i’d be concerned..
Crosby seems to be pushing ahead quite quickly with this … so it looks like the ‘watchtower’ will be the first of the proposed batch of taller buildings to be constructed & will for a while at least be the tallest building in the state.
Supposed to be all finished by end of 09 …Tallest on the Island indeed quite easily. Maybe the developers are not prepared to splash out cash on some spectacular design. It has to be said though its a big improvement on the last plan which looked terrible.
Imrovement, yes. Original in any way, no.
I was saying dont judge the building yet till we get better renders. Here are a couple.
It could be argued that at 35 storeys it is not tall enough but it looks ok there.
They are changing their images with the weather. Maybe they are reading this forum 😉
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