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They’ve taken the shutters off the liftshaft down there, you can see it as you drive past.It’s still only about one level above the ground level in the site down there, it hasn’t gone any hogher in months.I drive past every day and can see it clearly.Obviously the tower has stopped for some reason.But i’ve heard Crosbie saying it’s definitely going ahead too, so why are they dismantling it?I heard they are bringing it up to ground level and no further.
Yes the construction on this tower has definitely ceased and some dismantling has accurred.Construction of the tower should be up about 15 stories if it was going ahead as normal.Maybe they havent removed the tower from their website pictures to enhance the appearance of the site as I m sure they are still trying to attract tenants for the retail units.
Those rendered images look well and the scheme looks ok overall, given the existing look of the docks and DDDA style!
Folk shouldn’t be expecting too much!
The Tower will be a welcome change (if built) and addition to the uniform drab skyline.
Something to locate the docks and new O2 theatre, a good landmark !
the tower has been capped off at ground level untill it is to start up again, as it shares sections with the office building and shopping centre beside it leaving it as a building site is not safe. the dismantling seen is the stand down of the temporary constructions (hoardings etc)
These pictures were taken from my balcony this morning. According to one of the builders outside the site yesterday, the Point Watchtower isn’t going to rise above ground level for the time being. From what I’ve seen, they covered the site with timbers, steel, and are now rolling out sheets of a tar-like sealant!
This is a real pity as I was looking forward to seeing this amazing building rise from the ground. I was even prepared to give up my sea view!! 🙂
Question: what would be the build cost per apartment of a building like the watchtower?
Am I right in thinking that Crosbie has owned this land for donkey’s years and so the land cost is virtually zero? So surely no reason why this development couldn’t be enormously profitable even in the current market as long as Crobie prices them at a level that they’re guaranteed to sell.
Unlike the U2 tower which would have a land cost of about 400K per apartment assuming 80 million for the site, 200 apartments.
Even if the housing market has collapsed,houses in Dublin city don’t lose value or demand!!
I really dont see the reason behind stopping this
rob mc wrote:Even if the housing market has collapsed,houses in Dublin city don’t lose value or demand!!Er, yes they do!
Hi all,
Often developers bitch, moan and take legal proceedings when they are refused permission to build something. Since the Watchtower was an integral part of this development, which the DDDA etc spent time and money evaluating before granting permission………is/should there be financial/legal implications if this element is not built? Should there be a “Use it or loose it” provision as part of any successful planning application?
This question is perhaps quite broad and can relate to many developments around the city and country. I was going to mention the flip side of the coin, were developers build structures without permission, but I think the implications are much more clear in these cases.
Personally, I am dissappointed the tower is not going ahead. As a building, I think its quite good. Better in fact then alot of the dross in the docklands. Simply for the top floor restaurant/viewing area, it would have been worthwhile. I also feel, it might have broken the particularly and bafflingly Irish stigma regarding high rise construction. “Skyscrapers”, and I use that term lightly, are often wrongly blamed for destroying historic Dublin, precisely because they are visible. When the vast majority of the damage was caused by ill “designed” Georgian pastiche 4/5 storey rubbish!
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@JoePublic wrote:
Am I right in thinking that Crosbie has owned this land for donkey’s years and so the land cost is virtually zero? .
He owned part of the site for a long time but bought up other parts in recent years at fairly juicy prices
@thebig C wrote:
. . . since the Watchtower was an integral part of this development, which the DDDA etc spent time and money evaluating before granting permission. . .
What makes you think the DDDA etc. spent time and money evaluating this?
Your other point however, occured to me too. Was the ‘Watchtower’ a stand alone planning permission, or was it an integral element of an overall permission? If the latter, then in theory, the remainder of the development could be held to be unauthorised development, or at least be uncertifyable, until the tower is built. You’re not supposed to be able to pick and choose the bits of a planning permission you feel like building.
It’s interesting that every time one ‘High Rise’ advocate vanishes into the ether, another one stumbles into a clearing.
You realize that johnglas is flexing his typing finger.
Why keep talking as if it is dead? The foundations would have to be sealed to prevent degradation whether it be for months or years. Crosbie seems confident from previous interviews, almost to the point of arrogance, if someone is going to build it, he will, and he has said so.
Yes, they will want them, but they cant always afford them, or afford to see their investment loose value while prices fall. Everything is subject to the laws of supply and demand, even people. Economics pwnzs and cetera.
Economics pwnzs and cetera
Ihateawake: Did you actually fall asleep with your hands over the keys at that point?
No, its cool interwebs talk… see here😎
…and cetera = etc…I am quite tired though.
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