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You can post a good and bad example of anything. However IMHO the Watchtower and U2 Tower will generate a lot more excitement than what is there already and will be more pleasing to the eye than what is there already. The Docklands needs something, and if the Watchtower is the first tentative step on the ladder to a better Docklands and perhaps a better skyline, then so be it.
We’ll finally get a measure of its impact when its built, until then all the pro and anti discussions in the world will mean nothing.@darkman wrote:
Maybe when the lift shaft is going up its significance might dawn on some:rolleyes:
Frank good points but if you only highlighted the line above line you might get a straight answer. 😮
Maybe my interpretation is unfair of you Denouncer and some other posters such as Pepsi & Darkman, Stira etc but I have to agree with Devin’s take that many posters are obsessed with height to the exclusion of the underlying quality of proposals. This project will work but it is most certainly no role model to be followed.
Its not an obsession. Small or large the design is important of course but the Docklands would definitely benefit from tall buildings, yes indeed.
@The Denouncer wrote:
the design is important
Call me simplistic but would you not say that nothing else is important; quality is quality whether it is 1cm or 1000m from top to bottom.
In consideration of any design a major component is site suitability; whilst this site is suitable for a tall building many others are not.
What I find difficult to understand is that many of those (who like everyone else) have waited until know for a really tall building in Dublin are so quick to praise this building. It is mediocre at best and if it were proposed for London or Hong Kong people would yawn.
@Frank Taylor wrote:
Tall alone is not impressive. Every 2 bit city around the world has them, desperately trying to portray themselves as advanced.
Now, the turning torso in Sweden, that’s impressive. And the Gherkin and the Grande Arche and the Torre Agbar in Barcelona. But this is just a regular office block – only its residential and it has a cage on the roof and it’s a little higher on one side than the other. So what?
I’d be impressed if they built something that spanned the river.
What do you think of these buildings in Glasgow, Darkman?
Do you find them exciting? Would they make you impressed with Glasgow? Would they be even better if they were another 10 floors higher?
When I see this proposal for Point Village, I am no more moved than I am by seeing these buildings in Glasgow a couple of weeks ago. They make me feel nothing.I see your point but in fairness the tower proposed for the North Lotts looks far better even on the drawn renders then those Glasgow buildings look in reality. I think this tower will look good, I point to the millenium tower again. Remember (and this is something people here seem to forget) not every high rise can be the most stunning of buildings. I think the point village tower looks slender and sleek and the glass looks nice with the blue tint. You have to take into account its location aswell. I think it will be far more interesting then the renders suggest. I think its best to wait until we at least have more information.
@PVC King wrote:
Frank good points but if you only highlighted the line above line you might get a straight answer. 😮
Maybe my interpretation is unfair of you Denouncer and some other posters such as Pepsi & Darkman, Stira etc but I have to agree with Devin’s take that many posters are obsessed with height to the exclusion of the underlying quality of proposals. This project will work but it is most certainly no role model to be followed.
Hi PVC
I am absolutely convinced that no substandard design of skyscraper should be allowed built in Dublin. I take design very seriously. Hueston Gate is high but its design shocks me tbh. It horrid and I personally dont want to see that tower built as it is.
My point about this tower is that it has the potential to sit quite well in that area of the North Lotts. Im looking at it more from the point of view of its geographic location. IMHO this design looks to me like it will fit quite well. Like eveything else though we will just have to wait until construction begins.
@darkman wrote:
I think this tower will look good, I point to the millenium tower again.
Do you think the millenium tower looks good?Here’s a photo Morlan posted:
It looks like any apartment building on the Costa Del Sol, but without the balconies. Zoe Developments, no?The context of that building is lovely: water right up to the edge on two sides, gets the evening sun, a sunny marina below. Due to the location, not that many people are affected by the shadow casting. I wouldn’t mind if they had gone double the height there: 50 storeys. I guess the height was determined by that mill building across the road.
Remember (and this is something people here seem to forget) not every high rise can be the most stunning of buildings.
Why not? If you want to spend millions cramming a huge amount of floorspace into a tiny plot, should you not have to provide amazing design quality in return?
I think it will be far more interesting then the renders suggest.
It’s rare for a building to turn out looking better than its renders. If you of a case where this has happened, I’d like to see it.
@Frank Taylor wrote:
Do you think the millenium tower looks good?Here’s a photo Morlan posted:
It looks like any apartment building on the Costa Del Sol, but without the balconies. Zoe Developments, no?The context of that building is lovely: water right up to the edge on two sides, gets the evening sun, a sunny marina below. Due to the location, not that many people are affected by the shadow casting. I wouldn’t mind if they had gone double the height there: 50 storeys. I guess the height was determined by that mill building across the road.
Why not? If you want to spend millions cramming a huge amount of floorspace into a tiny plot, should you not have to provide amazing design quality in return?
It’s rare for a building to turn out looking better than its renders. If you of a case where this has happened, I’d like to see it.
Millenium tower (or the models they had at the time)is an example Looked poorer then it actually does in reality because of its setting that you mentioned. However the most obvious is probrably the Ulster Bank building. To say that looked a bad idea in the renderings was an understatement. In fact as far as I remember the developers actually used it as some sort of threat unless a revised scheme got the go ahead. Any it looks quite well IMO.
Not all buildings can be of ‘spectacular’ design simply because economics dictate it. With the housing market now on shakey ground developers will be few in number looking for ‘spectacular’ high rise in Dublin. Thats not to say every high rise cant look good on the skyline. Of course they all should look good. However if your expecting clusters of buildings like in Dubai, thats not going to happen. IMO the best we can look for are good high rise buildings with some spectacular designs in there. I think in terms of spectacular high rise maybe the commercial market woud be a better bet at the moment as opposed to the property market.
The other issue with the ‘watchtower’ is the renderings because we actually have not got enough perspectives. The design cant be that bad because if your planning to sell a 5 million euro penthouse at the top it would want to be something reasonably special! To equate it with those buildings in Glasgow is unfair.
The location will sell the penthouses; the closest analogy you can draw is with a hideously ugly bungalow that is the only one off house in an area of outstanding natural beauty. The occupants don’t care what it looks like because they are they only people who have the perfect view without seeing their property exterior when sitting on the porch chilling with a cool beer on a summers evening.
In any event two factors will determine the value of the penthouses firstly the floor areas and secondly what someone is actually willing to pay for it. It has nothing to do with height and little to do with its design quality from 50m or 5kms.
Interestingly the penthouse world record is held by a very low building at One Hyde Park See Here Which although a much shorter building than this will have a more positive impact on the urban environment. Had a similarly textured approach been done on the point depot building it would have had more of a building. In time it will be regarded as the Aviva Tower to the U2 Towers Gherkin
@Frank Taylor wrote:
Do you think the millenium tower looks good?Here’s a photo Morlan posted:.
That’s actually the 22 story photomontage I made. it’s not that tall in reality.
haha – sorry Morlan, they should have hired you.
Do you ever suspect that these buildings are designed in Excel by colouring in the cells?@Frank Taylor wrote:
Tall alone is not immpressive…………………….I’d be impressed if they built something that spanned the river…………………………..
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Maybe something like this Frank
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The Collosus at Rhodes……..now thats a ‘Landmark Gateway”:DThe design looks OK, nothing more and it will be the poor cousin of the eventual U2 tower
I’m hoping the glass has a ‘blue’ tint as some previous post mentioned because it looks a kind of green to me@Frank Taylor wrote:
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Do you ever suspect that these buildings are designed in Excel by colouring in the cells?haha yes, that comes after the excruciating task of extruding the square footprint x no. of metres upwards
Does anyone have an update on this? Very little coverage on this. I passed by the site last Saturday but did not get a chance to see what they were actually doing. Just a bit interested. Also i didn’t see any 50 foot Elvis poster??
http://www.dublintraffic.com/Site0Camera125.jpg
Well, this is the camera facing the point and as you can see the only thing that makes this image special is that there is nothing going on at all.
Bare in mind too that this is apparently supposed to be finished by 2009 – Not going to happen now.
based on a city council traffic camera ?
I cant understand really the lack of enthusiasm or indeed comment on what will be Irelands first skyscraper in a Dublin context. Is it that its Northside of the Liffey? Is it the design? Is it the developer? Why the lack of ‘excitement’ that this building will actually smash the 100m mark. It will finally put the nail in the coffin of Belfast, for example, having a taller building (and Cork too). This is a big deal for Dublin and id have expected far more enthusiasm for it. Since its actually going to happen! Is it not tall enough – 35 floors? What is it thats making this project attract less attention then the U2 tower? This project is incredibly significant for our city in my view. Maybe when the lift shaft is going up its significance might dawn on some
Its attitudes like this that make this country seem somewhat backward at times. Yes lets have a parade because we’re finally building a skyscraper over 100m when people in manhattan and chicago were building them over 100 years ago.
Why the lack of excitement? Maybe its a good sign maybe its a sign we’re growing up and no longer view the development of a high tower as say equal to the excitement generated by the first man landing on the moon say..
@Keen wrote:
Does anyone have an update on this? Very little coverage on this. I passed by the site last Saturday but did not get a chance to see what they were actually doing. Just a bit interested. Also i didn’t see any 50 foot Elvis poster??
There is a large deep hole north of the Point Depot, covering the development site. The 50-foot Elvis poster is mounted on six stacked 40-ft containers.
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