Palmerston Park (Grianblah)
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- August 27, 2006 at 10:13 pm #762651
publicrealm
Participant@Jaypers wrote:
Pity you guys objected, I was looking forward to seeing what they’d build there!
Is that wrong????
It is always refreshing to see such a balanced and trusting post. Well done Jaypers.
Sadly the (most recent) application has been invalidated and you may have to wait a little while to see the new house.
August 28, 2006 at 12:51 pm #762652Frank Taylor
ParticipantI also see no reason why a new house would not be an improvement on what went before. The original building was an insipid, conservative structure. Looked like something a banker would live in. Reminiscent of the ugly mansions of Hampstead. I don’t agree with the comment that it was ‘Arts and Craftsy, Lutyens-ey, with a suspicion of Frank Lloyd Wright’. Of course the owner had no right to violate planning procedures.
August 28, 2006 at 1:11 pm #762653Anonymous
InactiveFrank, I am not really sure of where you are seeing that resemblance between the building that has just been knocked the larger houses of Hampstead. Maybe there is some sort of resemblance between it and some of the Garden Suburb houses, but I don’t think it is anything like any of the larger houses in that area.
August 28, 2006 at 1:36 pm #762654Frank Taylor
ParticipantYes, maybe it is more Hampstead Garden Suburb than Hampstead (I’m never quite sure where I am when I drive through North London). Here’s a web page with some photos from a street in HGS
http://www.hgs.org.uk/mystreet/turner%20close/index.html
I find them depressing. Middle England awful suburbia with money. They just seem so featureless and unhappy with their blank brick walls and empty surrounding lawns. No love.August 28, 2006 at 1:47 pm #762655Anonymous
InactiveWhilst I agree with you about the images you posted, I still don’t see the resemblance bar brick colouring and some stylistic commonalities. The Parmerston Park house was far more understated than any of those buildings.
November 14, 2006 at 5:59 pm #762656altotude
ParticipantAny update on this?
DCC Planning search says decision not yet made – should be by now though should it not?
November 14, 2006 at 8:35 pm #762657publicrealm
ParticipantDCC Decision is due tomorrow.
Interesting that they have apparently chosen not to invalidate (on the grounds that the Application effectively ‘pockets’ the gain made by virtue of the unauthorised development on site (i.e. the demolition)).
Could set an interesting legal precedent – with potential implications for Conservation Areas – but they are possible constrained by their earlier decision to sanction the demolition shown in the drawings – which did not accord with the public notices.
I believe they are wrong here – any Jesuits out there who would like to get to grips with this issue?:D
November 15, 2006 at 6:01 pm #762658publicrealm
ParticipantDCC has decided to grant permission.
Haven’t seen the grant so I don’t know if any conditions are attached – in any event I don’t suppose that the Applicant will worry too much about complying with them – or that DCC will bother too much either.
An interesting precedent for DCC Conservation Areas?
November 15, 2006 at 8:04 pm #762659ctesiphon
Participant@publicrealm wrote:
Interesting that they have apparently chosen not to invalidate (on the grounds that the Application effectively ‘pockets’ the gain made by virtue of the unauthorised development on site (i.e. the demolition)).
Could set an interesting legal precedent – with potential implications for Conservation Areas – but they are possible constrained by their earlier decision to sanction the demolition shown in the drawings – which did not accord with the public notices.
Could you elaborate a bit, publicrealm?
Not sure I follow what you mean by ‘pocket’ re the invalidation, or what you think the implications for Cons Areas might be.
Once I understand the issues more clearly, I’ll gladly get all Jesuitical on this one.
Thanks.
November 15, 2006 at 11:29 pm #762660publicrealm
Participant@ctesiphon wrote:
Could you elaborate a bit, publicrealm?
Once I understand the issues more clearly, I’ll gladly get all Jesuitical on this one.Thanks.
Very well my child.
Issue 1: DCC grant permission which allows works (in particular demolition) well in excess of those described in the public notices (which state ‘a small amount of demolition is required’). Question 1 – is this a valid permission? (Standard Condition 1 states “for the avoidance of doubt, this permission shall not be construed as approving any development shown on the plans, particulars and specifications, the nature and extent of which has not been adequately stated in the statutory public notices”)
Issue 2: Notwithstanding the validity of the permission the applicant then exceeded the amount of demolition permitted by demolishing most of the structure, including most of the areas he had undertaken to retain. This development was unauthorised and DCC served enforcement notice. The Applicant’s response was to apply for permission for the demolition of the remainder of the “partially demolished” structure, and to build the new house.
An application to demolish the remainder of the structure would have been in order – but in effect the application incorporated the unauthorised works (insofar as the demolition of the remainder was to be followed by the construction of the house- over the unauthorised works) without regard to the fact that they were unauthorised. S32(b) of the Act explicitly requires that permission for unauthorised development must be the subject of an application for retention (rather than an application for permission), with the appropriate (retention) application fee being paid. In other words, DCC has now granted permission for development which incorporates unauthorised development and which is the subject of enforcement action by DCC, and the applicant has made no attempt to regularise the situation. Question 2 – is the permission valid – insofar as it cannot be completed without unauthorised development.
I think a recitation of the Solemn Mysteries is called for myself.
November 17, 2006 at 1:23 pm #762661altotude
ParticipantThis whole saga is so depressing … on the planning level and the client level.
I’ve been reading the objections and am looking forward to reading DCC’s grounds for granting permission.
March 23, 2007 at 10:52 am #762662altotude
ParticipantAnyone know what’s going on with Grianblah? Permission was granted ages ago and, despite the owner’s rush to get started the first time, nothing’s happened. Still boarded up, graffitied. Horrible eyesore on a beautiful park.
March 23, 2007 at 12:16 pm #762663publicrealm
Participant@altotude wrote:
Anyone know what’s going on with Grianblah? Permission was granted ages ago and, despite the owner’s rush to get started the first time, nothing’s happened. Still boarded up, graffitied. Horrible eyesore on a beautiful park.
Altotude
The bizarre DCC decision was appealed by a neighbour – decision due in late April. Quite a good appeal imho.
http://www.pleanala.ie/data1/searchdetails.asp?id=7541844&caseno=220979
May 30, 2007 at 10:04 am #762664Anonymous
InactiveThe decision on this is to be made tomorrow.
June 5, 2007 at 3:06 pm #762665altotude
ParticipantThe page linked above says the decision has been made but won’t be published before 5 June (today). Anyone have word yet of what happened?
June 5, 2007 at 3:38 pm #762666ctesiphon
ParticipantProbably just a hangover from the bank holiday weekend. 😉 Maybe give them a quick ring, though I’d imagine it will be any day now.
June 6, 2007 at 3:15 pm #762667altotude
ParticipantStill not up but if you search on the Dublin City Planning records it says the appeal decision was to grant permission!!
June 8, 2007 at 10:12 pm #762668publicrealm
Participant@altotude wrote:
Still not up but if you search on the Dublin City Planning records it says the appeal decision was to grant permission!!
Yes – granted – an interesting decision. http://www.pleanala.ie/REP/220/R220979.DOC
The Inspector considered the DCC permission invalid due to the unauthorised works but felt the Board had no power to refuse on this ground.
Seems to open up interesting possibilities for circumventing the planning system. Not a good precedent from ABP or DCC in my view.
November 26, 2007 at 9:29 am #762669altotude
ParticipantA further application has been made, this time for a revision of the existing permission – didn’t know you could do that. It (below) means little me as a layman and seems ancillary to the main development. However, from the road what is being built doesn’t resemble too closely what I had expected the permission to equal.
“Revisions to previously approved scheme (Reg ref 5183/06 and PL29S220979) comprising the forming of a new vehicular entrance ope, piers and gates at north east of property including the removal of existing tree and forming of dipped footpath outside the curtilage of the property; the alteration of existing vehicular entrance at North West of property to form narrow ope and pedestrian gate; related revisions to landscaping and hard surfacing within the curtilage of the property.”
August 31, 2008 at 12:44 pm #762670jimg
ParticipantPassing this corner recently, the results of this planning fiasco are plain to see.
Given the highish walls around this site, you’d hope that the impact would be minimised but there is now a very ugly blank modern “gable” overlooking the Orchard Road South wall. The new building is visible from the gate and over the wall from Palmerston Park and is horrendous. It easily matches the gombeen tastlessness of the once-off faux-Georgian piles dotting the countryside.
This is simply a shameful example of planning failure: the ignorance and arrogance of the owners – not even offering the pretence of caring about the planning procedures and the bored laziness and incompetence of the planning officials involved.
I am being bitter I know – and it is no compensation for the reality that the original distinctive and attractive period building is never coming back and the new pile-of-shite is there for the foreseeable future – but I feel a tiny flicker of satisfaction knowing that the owners’ laughable taste and ignorant behaviour is going to hurt them financially. Unlike hoping that the planning dept would actually do it’s job, I’d be more optimistic in this regard; suspect that if they ever try to sell, they’d be lucky to recover half of what they’ve spent on it; the morons have pissed away 3 or 4 million euro.
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