One Berkley court -132m Tower
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- August 31, 2007 at 11:09 am #791866
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Inactive@lostexpectation wrote:
who was that speaking in the vid, I hate her already the idea that skyscrapers are somehow green and sustainable???
diamond is generous, perfum bottle, bar of soap more like?
37 is bit much ain’t it
Yes it is in my opinion. But I suspect that Dunne is expecting an Board P to give any development the regulation crew cut, so best to apply for a greater height than you except to actually get. Expect about 10 storeys to be lopped off the top. Personally, I liked the original B Mc E proposal which was about 32 storeys.
August 31, 2007 at 11:25 am #791867Anonymous
InactiveThis “letter” by Dunne appeared in the Times last week. Quite odd really for a CEO to be issuing such broadsides – and unneccessary I would have thought for the IT to publish it all in it’s total (and painful) entireity. I am posting one reply to it for balance at the end.
@Irish Times, letters page, Friday, August 24, 2007 wrote:
DEVELOPMENT OF SITES AT BALLSBRIDGE
Madam, – It is a widely held belief that a newspaper should be properly judged by the fairness and accuracy of its Editorials. Over the years when reading your newspaper, it has been customary for me to first turn to the leader article and, indeed, customary to believe that it had been written without bias and with a level of fairness, understanding and expertise.
The number of grossly inaccurate and misleading articles which have been written over the past two years about my company and the Jurys/Berkeley Court site by now outnumber the number of rugby fans who claim to have been in Thomond Park when Munster beat the All-Blacks in 1978.
However, the leader article “Changes in Dublin 4” in The Irish Timesof Saturday, August 18th, that blamed me and my company for the decisions made and actions taken by a then public, and now private company (Jurys Doyle Group), two years ago was so vindictive, misleading and inaccurate that it trumps them all.
Your Editorial began by blaming my company, Mountbrook Homes, for the recent closure of Jurys and the Berkeley Court Hotel. You may recall that in June 2005 the owners of Jurys Hotel Ballsbridge, being Jurys plc, offered for sale by tender Jurys Hotel Ballsbridge. It was an express condition of the sale of the property, by the inclusion of a restrictive covenant on the title, that no other hotel could be developed and operated by the purchaser of this site.
Jurys plc at that time operated seven other hotels in Dublin city and was obviously endeavouring to minimise future competition.
On acquiring the Berkeley Court some three months later, Mountbrook Homes successfully negotiated the removal of the restrictive covenant and the right to build a hotel on the combined site, if we so choose. It is our intention to include a hotel in the proposed redevelopment of Jurys/Berkeley Court. Given that your newspaper has not seen our plans I am amazed you chose to make the false assumption that no hotel would be built on this site again. In fact, I am amazed that you have chosen to make any comment at all on our plans, given that such commentary is akin to judging a beauty competition in the dark.
The current owners of the Jurys Doyle Group are the Doyle and Beatty families who took Jurys plc private in 2005. Jurys Doyle still control and own the operating companies for both Jurys and the Berkeley Court Hotel.
The decision to close both hotels was taken by Jurys plc and in respect of which neither any of my companies nor I had any hand, act or part.
My company only takes ownership and control of Jurys Ballsbridge on September 6th with no residents, no employees, and the contents from the doors of the bedrooms to the elevators removed – in essence a carcass.
Prior to Jurys Hotel closing this month, we sought to acquire, intact, the full contents having been approached by other hotel operators who had an interest in keeping the hotel in operation until development commences. The owners refused to sell us the contents for reasons only known to themselves.
I have, however, successfully managed to purchase those contents which were for sale in the Berkeley Court and over the next couple of months will investigate the viability of keeping that hotel open for the foreseeable future. Ownership and control of the Berkeley Court does not pass to our company until October 8th.
Your article also stated that Jurys and the Berkeley Court are two thriving, profitable hotels, a statement obviously made without any knowledge of the profitability of these properties. In 2005, Jurys plc, in the best interests of their shareholders, decided to dispose of these two hotels. I fully understand why the company decided on this course of action.
Good economics is based on the return of capital and the reason these hotels were sold is that Jurys plc were no longer realising an adequate return on capital deployed in relation to both properties. The “ruthlessness” you refer to in your article is also hypocritical given that The Irish Timesitself embarked on a controversial rationalisation programme over the past four years for similar reasons, namely: disposing of its head office – a Dublin landmark]
@Irish Times, letters page, Tuesday, August 28, 2007 wrote:
DEVELOPMENT IN BALLSBRIDGE
Madam, – Sean Dunne’s letter of August 24th set a worrying precedent: it took up half the page and ran to a couple of thousand words. This is over-development of the worst kind. What about the higher density you regularly encourage from your letter-writers? This is epistolary sprawl.
Who in your department fast-tracked it through? Have we no right of appeal?
On a less serious note, I hope he builds better than he writes. Ouch. – Yours, etc,
DAVID P JAMESON, York Road, Dún Laoghaire, Co. Dublin.
August 31, 2007 at 1:32 pm #791868Anonymous
InactiveI’m not sure whether the scale of this is appropriate for the location. But in general terms, what’s worse for Dublin: 536 apartments built on (underused) city land, or 536 oversized semi-ds built on a huge field by a motorway in Co Meath?
Why do we get furious debate (and ultimate refusal) for high density schemes like this, and not about the many, many outer suburban developments that are wrecking quality of life for everyone in the city, not to mention the environment.August 31, 2007 at 1:34 pm #791869Anonymous
InactiveAt 20 semi-d’s to the acre, that is 27 acres, leaving out the shopping space, cinema, offices, embassy and so on. Picture 27 acres of semi-d housing in your mind.
August 31, 2007 at 1:58 pm #791870Anonymous
Inactive@notjim wrote:
At 20 semi-d’s to the acre, that is 27 acres, leaving out the shopping space, cinema, offices, embassy and so on. Picture 27 acres of semi-d housing in your mind.
😮 😀 ……
have you ever been to Lucan??? 😀August 31, 2007 at 1:58 pm #791871Anonymous
InactiveI went up there at lunchtime and had a mooch around. the exhibition is sparse and the 3ds a little amateurish but the little tv documentaries that accompany it are worth looking at.
On the whole I was impressed and convinced by the scheme (Duncan Stewart is in favour of it in that increasing urban density will decrease suburban sprawl and reduce car use etc)
Whether their claim to be carbon neutral in 10 years is acheivable or not is debatable but the intention is good.
There are 180 apartments in the tower so the majority are in the lower buildings. The tower itself is a twin wall so no balconies which is something that DCC might look at under their new guidelines. I’m sure there’s a wind report in the EIS that gives good reason. The inner wall of the twin wall can be opened up and there are some louvres on the outer facade but no wintergardens as such.
The office component contravenes the zoning but at 15% of the overall development I think they’re looking at it as a sacrificial lamb.
They have thoroughly embraced the need for larger apartments and family living, with the average apartment size at 125sqm and 3bedroom apts at 44% of the mix. 1 beds take up only 10%.
There was a bunch of aul ones talking to the press but I had to leave when it became like an episode of Kilroy
Fair play to Mr. Dunne. Ballsy move. It’s a very well thought out venture that puts the ball firmly in DCC’s court.
August 31, 2007 at 2:18 pm #791872Anonymous
Inactive@hutton wrote:
This “letter” by Dunne appeared in the Times last week. Quite odd really for a CEO to be issuing such broadsides – and unneccessary I would have thought for the IT to publish it all in it’s total (and painful) entireity. I am posting one reply to it for balance at the end.
Really? General feeling in our newsroom was that it was excellent, highlighting the factually incorrect nonsense written by the Times in relation to the site and also broadcast by RTE. Judging by some of Frank McDonald’s comments today it obviously had an impact.
August 31, 2007 at 2:29 pm #791873Anonymous
InactiveI actually enjoyed this letter too, agreed with lots, found some of it self-seving, but overall I enjoyed reading it and felt afterwards I understood Sean Dunne’s view point better, surely the point of letters like this.
Lots of people objected to the length, but it left me feeling that it is middle length letters that are boring, I thought they should introduce a policy that letters over say three lines should be forced to go on for a side of A4.
August 31, 2007 at 2:38 pm #791874Anonymous
Inactive@notjim wrote:
How so, it looks great to me, the angles are interesting without being fiddly, the scale is impressive and the location seems ideal for a large tower, standing by those big wide streets at the corner of a huge site, near the city, by the business district, rising up out a streetscape of handsome terraces. If not here, where?
I just don’t think it has the wow factor I was expecting after Dunne had an architectural competition etc. I know he was concerned with density but it just doesn’t move me in the way I had hoped. I don’t have any problem with the height element at all and believe Ballsbridge is probably best location in the city along with docklands for such a building. The rest of the scheme reminds me of a cross between Longboat Quay and that tall apartment building in Dolphins Barn which most architects seem to love but which I find aesthetically ghastly.
August 31, 2007 at 2:47 pm #791875Anonymous
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*cough* im sure it will be built;)
August 31, 2007 at 4:12 pm #791876Anonymous
Inactivei can’t see this being built either.
August 31, 2007 at 5:00 pm #791877Anonymous
InactiveDublin developer Sean Dunne has unveiled his long-awaited plans for his Ballsbridge estate in Dublin which controversially includes a 37-storey tower.
The founding partner of Mountbrook Homes submitted a planning application to Dublin City Council today for the 7 acre Jurys Berkeley Court site in the exclusive area of Dublin.
His mixed-use scheme comprises residential and retail space, including an underground mall, an embassy complex that could accommodate the relocation of some of the 29 embassies in Ballsbridge, an office block, a 232 room luxury hotel, and an ice rink. There will also be a crèche for 150 children and a ‘cultural quarter’ including a European Centre for Culture.
The centrepiece of the scheme is a 132m tower, which will be known as One Berkeley Court, and is ‘sculpted like a diamond’. The scheme has been designed by Denmark’s Henning Larsen Architects, which won the brief in an architectural competition last year.
Dunne bought the site in 2005, at €54m an acre (£36.5m an acre), in what was, at the time, a record price for land in Ireland.
Sean Dunne, managing director of Mountbrook, who has dubbed his estate the future ‘Knightsbridge of Dublin’, said: ‘Ballsbridge has for a long time been wrongly portrayed by some as a village, whereas in actual fact it is a national centre, in that it houses the home of Irish rugby, the headquarters of AIB (the largest bank in Ireland), 1.5m sq ft of offices, the Royal Dublin Society and is home to 29 embassies.’
It is the second major planning application to be submitted in Ballsbridge. Earlier this week Irish developer Ray Grehan submitted a planning application for a €600m (£406m) development – Number One Ballsbridge – next to Dunne’s site.
Both applications, which seek to significantly increase the density of the site and introduce a tower in a low rise area will be closely watched. Dublin’s planning authorities have historically been averse to tall developments except in certain areas of the city – such as the docklands.
August 31, 2007 at 5:19 pm #791878Anonymous
Inactivetune into tv3 right now to see something about this. should be on after the ads.
August 31, 2007 at 5:48 pm #791879Anonymous
Inactiveyeah just seen it very informative- might be a small bit ambitious-theres a 15 stroey tower proposed right beside it and it looks well/has he not had a tower rejected already?
August 31, 2007 at 5:50 pm #791880Anonymous
Inactive@notjim wrote:
At 20 semi-d’s to the acre, that is 27 acres, leaving out the shopping space, cinema, offices, embassy and so on. Picture 27 acres of semi-d housing in your mind.
Actually, if the Ballsbridge site is 11 acres, that doesn’t seem a huge space saving. I presume services for what would be a village of up to 2,000 people would take up another huge chunk of land though. So you’re talking about no new land being used as opposed to what? 40 acres?
I live in a low-density, underpopulated, relatively central area and wouldn’t have a huge problem with a scheme like this nearby. But I’m a northsider and take a more pragmatic view of these things…:)August 31, 2007 at 5:52 pm #791881Anonymous
Inactive@AndrewP wrote:
Actually, if the Ballsbridge site is 11 acres, that doesn’t seem a huge space saving. I presume services for what would be a village of up to 2,000 people would take up another huge chunk of land though. So you’re talking about no new land being used as opposed to what? 40 acres?
I live in a low-density, underpopulated, relatively central area and wouldn’t have a huge problem with a scheme like this nearby. But I’m a northsider and take a more pragmatic view of these things…:)it’s 7 acres
August 31, 2007 at 5:55 pm #791882Anonymous
Inactive@wearnicehats wrote:
it’s 7 acres
Oh, I must have misread the Dunne letter. Well jaysus that’s a big difference!
August 31, 2007 at 6:02 pm #791883Anonymous
InactiveOf course the well-heeled residents of this development would never live in a 3-bed semi anyway.
And they’ll still maintain their country homes to boot
August 31, 2007 at 6:07 pm #791884Anonymous
InactiveNo he hasn’t. The Council’s LAP was turned down by the councillors. Dunne had nothing to do with it.
August 31, 2007 at 6:12 pm #791885Anonymous
InactiveCan this be merged with the other thread?
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