O’Connell Street Monument
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February 9, 2000 at 10:13 am #704918AnonymousParticipant
Can we now feel safe that our main Georgian Street will not be further defaced by the building of an oversized roll of aluminium foil, in it’s own black marble holder?
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February 9, 2000 at 10:55 am #715284MGParticipant
“our main Georgian Street”? There are two Georgian houses on it!! O’Connell Street is now largely a 2oth Century creation after the destruction of 1916.
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February 10, 2000 at 3:16 pm #715285AnonymousParticipant
The main street of Georgian Dublin was Capel St./Parliament St. (both laid out by the Wide Streets Commissioners).
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February 11, 2000 at 3:32 pm #715286AnonymousParticipant
Am i the only person who thinks the spike/spire whatever you want to call it is nice???
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February 11, 2000 at 3:37 pm #715287Paul ClerkinKeymaster
I see in today’s “The Guardian” that the designer of the Spike Ian Richie Architects, has produced designs for new electricity pylons for France.
Pretty fine looking objects they are too, a distinct improvement.
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February 11, 2000 at 6:23 pm #715288AnonymousParticipant
“Improvement.”
What, you mean on the spike Paul?Har har
Only joking
John[Pity about the ol’ ‘Splike’ though, I thought it would have been wonderous]
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February 12, 2000 at 4:36 pm #715289AnonymousParticipant
are they still going ahead with it?? and if so is there any kind of timetable on it??
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February 22, 2000 at 3:20 pm #715290Rory WParticipant
I think the Spire is a much more interesting piece of architecture than the usual dross that is put forward for these competitions. Remember the mini Arc de Triomph that was proposed on the Late Late show a couple of years ago, as well as the usual “rebuild the pillar except with St Patrick on top” brigade or the viewing platform/revolving restraunt faction that want to take us into the 1950s. Almost every city in the world has their “Space Needle”/Telecom tower/Radio tower why must we automatically follow suit. I think that the spire in its simplicity is quite beautiful, of couse most people wont appreciate this until it is actually built (lest we forget how Napper Tandy led the angry mob bent on the destruction of works on the Customs House). It is time that we made a statement of our own to the world, it is the 21st century after all!!
I for one cannot wait to see the completion of this project.
Rory W
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February 22, 2000 at 9:33 pm #715291AnonymousParticipant
Couldn’t agree more Rory
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March 17, 2000 at 4:38 am #715292mmParticipant
“The synergy between the tip, the cone and the base?”
There’s really not much else to say about the nature of this “monument” is there?
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March 20, 2000 at 4:54 am #715293AnonymousInactive
Does the lack of continuity in this city’s building history not bother anyone? The street was originally designed to trap and dominate its space. It doesn’t matter if most of the buildins are post 1916, the street continues to perform its asthetic function behind the garish shopfronts. Putting up a huge spike will completely overwhelm not only the street, but the whole town.
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March 20, 2000 at 8:01 pm #715294AnonymousParticipant
Its called a focal point boog!, I think the street and indeed the city is crying out for one.
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March 22, 2000 at 3:55 am #715295mmParticipant
There is a difference between the beauty of SIMPLICITY, and an underdeveloped SIMPLISTIC idea. Clearly the fact that this monument is referred to as a “spike” reflects the latter idea. A project that expresses simplicity is not easily achieved and upon closer examination a simple idea is usually composed of many complex and interwoven concepts. And, I think you can achieve a focal point without being hit over the head with one.
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April 22, 2000 at 9:52 pm #715296AnonymousParticipant
The o’connell St Spire looks like a syrnge. I believe the area is renowned for drug abuse.
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April 23, 2000 at 10:49 am #715297MGParticipant
Nelson’s Column was a stumpy badly proportioned structure. Reconstructing it would be an act of folly, looking backwards rather than forwards.
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April 25, 2000 at 2:58 pm #715298AnonymousParticipant
The city already has a focal point, and a very fine one too, in the form of the O’Connell monument which is a tribute to the great man himself. There is nothing interesting about a spike, that is true, unless you are an artist who delights in discussing such issues. What about the ordinary man on the street who knows nothing about art. To them it’s just a spike. What about a little bit more imagination!! If asked to paint a picture to capture the mood of a city, would you propose a white canvas with a black line through it? It would be art, but it would not necessarily be good art. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and there is not many a Dublin eye that can extract beauty from a metal spike.
By the way, as for rebuilding Nelson’s column without Nelson on it, why? That was old news, this is a new millenium. It took us long enough to get rid of it, if it’s not broken, don’t fix it.
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April 25, 2000 at 5:02 pm #715299AnonymousParticipant
There is not many a Dublin eye that can extract beauty at all. One could ask any regular true blue Dub where the National Gallery is and ‘daw…..I dunno’ would be the answer. Such affirms the notion that us Irish are visually illiterate regarding all the arts; painting, sculpture, printmaking etc……as well as architecture.’Not an architects’ views establishes this.(I recommend reading an art book or two.The public libraries are for all).These bloody auld viewpoints have kept us in the bogs for centuries.It’s time now to join civilization. Nothing wil be done if are to continually listen to the gombeen intellectuals deriding what they do not know.
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April 25, 2000 at 5:24 pm #715300AnonymousParticipant
Can I add, I wish to see the ‘Monument of Light’ built,(to give it it’s correct title) When the upgrading of O’Connell is complete (and with the former Carlton Cinema re-developed)it will be a wonderful improvement overall with the spire the central focus of Dublin.It will be a distinguishable landmark for the 21st century for the city and nation.
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April 26, 2000 at 11:10 pm #715301AnonymousParticipant
Yeah I think the Spike should be built. The city badly needs a focal point. People cannot say that height is a drawback about this, because, to be the focal point of this low rise city, it is essential.
I think Nelson’s Pillar was nice in itself, but it seemed bulky where it was placed, and destroyed the continuity of the street, and the rail on top took from its Doric quality. If there was some good open space near the Pro-Cathedral, that would be a good place for it.
O’Connell Street is desperate for rejuvenation. There is apparently only 1 resident on the street. But I do think height should be restricted. If it was so high for the top to be invisible when you were looking up the street, well that is too high. It should also learned from the design errors of Nelson’s Pillar as far as bulkiness in relation to the street is concerned. -
May 4, 2000 at 1:53 pm #715302AnonymousParticipant
I still think it’s a wasted opportunity not to build something which one can use to gain a vantage point over the city. We have an attempt at this in Smithfield but at £5 – forget it!
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May 4, 2000 at 4:13 pm #715303AnonymousParticipant
Yeah! Something like BT’s Telecom Tower in London would be deadly with a revolting,sorry revolving restaurant…….just kidding. By the way,that tower yoke in Smithfield is absolutely ugly.The lift thing is cumbersome and bulky.Does no one else think so,or is it the novelity of it that make’s people blind.
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May 6, 2000 at 8:03 am #715304Andrew JenningsParticipant
A woman was standing by the road side, the main access to a town, when a man named Mac approaching the town for the first time stopped and asked the woman what the next town was like. The woman replied by asking what was the last town like that Mac had just come from. Mac said the town was awful as the people where rude and unhappy. The woman said that the next town would be much the same as the last. The man went on his way. The woman continued standing by the road side when another man approaching the town for the first time stopped and asked her what the next town was like. The woman replied by asking what was the last town was like that he had just come from. The man said the town was wonderful as the people where courteous and happy. The woman said that the next town would be much the same as the last.
I look forward to seeing ‘The spike’, just like the Custom House its development was surrounded by controversy. The aluminium spike will reflect what’s going on around it, which for the most part is good and beautiful but sadly some people just can not see that.
[This message has been edited by Andrew Jennings (edited 10 May 2000).]
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May 8, 2000 at 12:04 pm #715305AnonymousParticipant
STOP taking the tablets, Andrew!
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May 9, 2000 at 9:23 am #715306AnonymousParticipant
so, nobody here has actually said whether or not the spike will be erected or not. can somebody tell me. it’s a good idea so stop moaning, though paddy on a column instead of nelson isn’t a bad idea…but i think paul mcgrath or shane macgowan should also be considered
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May 31, 2000 at 9:17 pm #715307AnonymousParticipant
Really – the whole object of the Monument is, to use a pun, ‘pointless’. Any monument to be built here shouold take account of the existing architecture of its surroundings – mostly classical in this instance. Also, while many may see monuments that commemorate the good and unremembered as unfashionable at the present, I would rather have nothing commemorating nothing rather than £3 million commemorating nothing….
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June 1, 2000 at 1:13 pm #715308Ronan CParticipant
I hope the monument does get built. I believe the contrast between a modern structure like the spike and the classical features of buildings such as the GPO and Clearys` will only liven up the street. On the hight issue, I feel that at present O`Connell street is very boring with its uniform parapet hights, the monument will contrast this and be like a breath of fresh air.
I`ve noticed that this boring uniform parepet height has been copied in the IFSC extension I hope this boring model is not copied in the rest of the docklands.
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June 1, 2000 at 7:30 pm #715309AnonymousParticipant
why are we so afraid in ireland to build anything that doesn’t look like some scabby little 3 bed-semi detached ‘house’, build the damn thing, the height is one of the best things about the monument. Does anybody know when the EIS will be completed?
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June 2, 2000 at 4:10 pm #715310Rory WParticipant
Quite correct Peter, this monument deserves to be built, I too am sick of the procrastination about how we would be better off building self-effacing VD clinics in Leitrim than “Wasting” money on a piece of public art. We don’t need a ‘Telecom’ tower type thing in the middle of the street (how 1950s can you get), this is all about 21st century – you know the one that we are supposed to be living in at present. The one in Smithfield is fine, and as for all the comments about its lift shaft being ugly – what prey tell is the alternative; everybody including those in wheelchairs has the right to this viewing platform – something disabled access laws enforce.
To turn this project down would be a disaster for forward looking rejuvination of this town.
Rory W
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June 3, 2000 at 2:01 am #715311AnonymousParticipant
Paul, do you have any pictures of the proposed ‘tall’ buildings to be built on Duffy’s scrap yard?
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June 3, 2000 at 2:05 am #715312Paul ClerkinKeymaster
i’ll try and get one…..
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June 14, 2000 at 5:06 pm #715313AnonymousParticipant
Hurrah!………the spire has been given the go ahead.
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June 14, 2000 at 5:12 pm #715314MGParticipant
Dublin Corporation’s regeneration plan for O’Connell Street received a boost today, when the Environmental Impact Statement on the
Monument of Light, or ‘The Spike’, gave the project the go ahead.If the plan for the 120-metre stainless steel needle and the new Plaza is given Ministerial approval, it will mean significant disruption for Dublin
motorists as two lanes of O’Connell Street will be closed during the construction process.Dublin City Manager Mr John Fitzgerald believes that if action is not taken to restrict traffic flow through O’Connell Street, the city centre
would be “strangled”. He said that the overall plan was to make O’Connell Street sacred in the same way as the Champs Elysses in Paris.Mr Fitzgerald also added that the Corporation was pressing ahead with its plans to address the current imbalance of “undesirable uses” of
O’Connell Street, specifically the large number of fast food outlets and gaming arcades.Work on the monument is expected to take at least five months, followed by construction of the Plaza, which should take around 19 months
to complete. O’Connell Street will be closed for a weekend while the “Spike” is being put in place.The EIS was carried out after the design of the monument was challenged in the High Court. The Corporation commissioned McHugh
consultants to carry out the study, which looked at the monument and its context in O’Connell Street and impacts on views and vistas. -
June 14, 2000 at 5:34 pm #715315AnonymousParticipant
I presume then that are not having Michael Nolan’s erection of a flying saucer tower thingy.A great tribute to Ed Wood and Plan 9 from outer Space.
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June 15, 2000 at 5:05 pm #715316AnonymousParticipant
Try and describe in more than one word the appearance of the monument known as the “Spike”.
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June 15, 2000 at 5:39 pm #715317AnonymousParticipant
Silvery slender sleek cylinder…….
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June 16, 2000 at 2:08 am #715318BTHParticipant
Thank God for that! I am so relieved that it’s going ahead (although subject ti ministerial approval sounds a bit ominous!).
I am convinced that the Monument is right for Dublin and hopefully it won’t be long before everyone will be gawking up in amazement at this beautiful, elegant engineering marvel. -
June 16, 2000 at 10:08 am #715319AnonymousParticipant
I remember in 1991 when we were commerating the Easter Rising of 1916 I thought that a monument to Pearse or Wolfe Tone would be a good replacement for Nelson’s Pillar. This would have involved the rebuilding of the column in the classical style, but having celtic motifs etc… and installing a statue of either of the above mentioned on top.A homage to them, their deeds and our republic. On reflection though it seems rather archaic now.After seeing the ‘Spire’ I firmly believe that we have found the right replacement.A sort of futuristic obelisk for the times we live in now. Non political,no baggage attached,just a silvery steel,sleekly slender cylindrical spire for the new millennium. It will look fantastic especially when lit up at night and when the upgrading of O’Connell Street is complete.We will wonder then what all the concern was about now.
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June 18, 2000 at 4:21 pm #715320AnonymousParticipant
has any one ever seen a aluminium obelisk look good as one looks back in time.
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June 18, 2000 at 10:17 pm #715321AnonymousParticipant
look forward not backward meehan!!!!
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June 18, 2000 at 10:56 pm #715322AnonymousParticipant
I think…..
Bertie’s Erection…
the Stilhetto in the Ghetto…
the Crop at the Shops….
the Spike…
the needle at the cathedral…
the spear near the xxxxx (david norris)…
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July 8, 2000 at 6:10 pm #715323AnonymousParticipant
Much rubbish has been forwarded by Dublin Corporation as regards their intended ‘gentrification’ of our beloved boulevard. The reams of press-releases almost weekly concerning the main thoroughfare contain little information differing from what was known years ago… Will the Corpo stop telling us what needs to be done and just do it! I see that Andrew Street and Sth. William Street are being repaved in granite without much fanfare, yet the Corpo’s intended paving for O’Connell Street has been talked about for years.
As regards the ‘spike’, I hope it is never built. It is a cheap and clumsy replacement for what was arguably the best sited monument in Europe. It is another insult to fellow Northsiders to see this ‘experiment’ ocurr, when we have seen another ‘replacement’ (the floozie) fail so miserably. I doubt very much that we would see such an accumulation of architectural and monumental rubbish on the southside.
The monument, if it goes ahead, will fail where it is supposed to succeed – the linchpin of O’Connell Street’s rebirth. Rather than securing the street’s future, it will be the spear driven through the heart of the once proud boulevard, ensuring its terminal decline.
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July 10, 2000 at 7:55 am #715324AnonymousParticipant
so, hoping that the spire will be built, HOW tall is it ACTUALLY going to be?
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July 11, 2000 at 5:47 pm #715325AnonymousParticipant
120m. It’s tip will be lower than the top of RTE’s mast in Donnybrook.
It will be approx 100 feet lower than the chimneys at Poolbeg and circa one-seventieth (1 divided by 70)! the volume of the larger chimney. Its slenderness makes all the references to “taller than Liberty Hall” so much eyewash.
All the same, the Minister’s mailbag will be bulging with cranky comments. So, if you like the spike, write him before July 31st (at the Custom House). It can make a difference. -
July 12, 2000 at 4:48 pm #715326AnonymousParticipant
A monument which was a runner-up in the competition featured on ‘Curasi Ealaine’ (RTE) last night, seemed to be a far more interesting and relevant to Irish society. Are any images of this scheme available?
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July 15, 2000 at 11:01 pm #715327gavParticipant
What the hell is the difference if it is now the 21st century ??? Why the constant need to remind us of the obvious, as if the connotation of new and good made sense. Just because the spire – or Monument of Light – is different to the surroundings, to the to the expectations of the Dubliners who will have to see it is not good in itself. This project is deeply unsypathetic to the architectural history and the skyline of Dublin and no amount of internationalist patronising pseudo-art expert posturing on fact that we have entered the 21st century will alter that. Why should we attempt to be international if that means to symbolise ourself with meaningless symbols, to be truly forward thinking is also to be partaking in the rich architectural traditions of the world which are full of meaning and do not discard substance for show.
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July 16, 2000 at 2:44 pm #715328AnonymousParticipant
DEAD RIGHT!
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July 30, 2000 at 1:53 am #715329AnonymousParticipant
I can’t wait for it to be built – a wonderful, unique structure for our very own city. In traditional Dublin style, Long live the Sliver by the River!
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July 30, 2000 at 2:00 am #715330AnonymousParticipant
as to the guy who posted about the spire being “an insult to Northsiders”, I think “claiming” a monument 100 or so metres from the Liffey as “northside” is a bit hard to swallow. It’s in the city centre not the suburbs, and it belongs to and is representative of all of us, north, east, south and west.
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August 2, 2000 at 6:49 pm #715331AnonymousParticipant
What do you remember St. Louis for? What do you remeber Dublin for?
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August 3, 2000 at 1:38 am #715332CTRParticipant
re: lofty’s remarks.
For starters, there’s no way that the RTE Mast at Montrose is anything like 120m (c.400ft) It looks to me to me more like about 200ft (c.60m)
Secondly, I cant believe the person who is small minded enough to seriously perpetuate the ‘northside/southside’ crap in relation to the Spire or anything else for that matter.
To that kind of person I would say , get out more, stop being so petty. See the world. See that Ireland is TINY and therefore to talk of this psychological divide that is the pissy Liffey is only laughable. True, it makes for good natured humourfor locals but it should end there and not enter a reasonably serious forum like this.
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August 5, 2000 at 1:30 pm #715333AnonymousParticipant
Tom F…. Go back to Blackrock with your dribble!!!!!!!!!
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August 18, 2000 at 12:47 am #715334j292868Participant
I recently returned home to Ireland for a short holiday, and made my way into Dublin. It is so great to finally see the city coming out of the dark ages, it’s like the sun could never shine there before, because it was so dismil, it probably figured, why shuold I. Now it seems that the sun actually likes to sun on Dublin. Being born and living not too far from O’Connell street for some years, and finally ending up in America, gives me two different outlooks on how cities should, could, and might be. All the changes in Dublin are just great, it’s bringing life back into a somewhat run down world, and making the people see the city for what it is, a European City. Yes Ireland is part of Europe, and has finally figured out how to turn the lights on. All the ideas where always there, it’s just that no one was willing to risk putting them into play. And look at the difference, the place is alive. I feels good to go home and say that this is my city, this is my home.
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September 25, 2000 at 7:59 pm #715335AnonymousParticipant
Does anyone know what the situation is with the monument? I know the minister has the final decision and according to previous postings was supposed to have made that decision by the 31st of July – so what the hell is he at? I heard the delay might have something to do with what appears to be a fairly one-sided EIS – anybody have any updates? I’m fairly pissed off with the absolute lack of urgency concerning the streets regeneration, although its good to see that disasterous ‘building’ that used to house that tacky ‘crazypound’ dump (near the bridge) is getting a facelift.
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September 28, 2000 at 3:00 pm #715336kefoParticipant
The newspaper reaction to the Millennium Spire has been quite extraordinary. The supposedly balanced Irish Times prints letters from objector Michael O’Nuallain on an almost weekly basis. O’Nuallain should be given no credit whatsoever for slowing up what is a magnificent project. And every time, he is given either column inches in a newspaper or camera time on TV, there should be a graphic beside him showing what his suggestion for the site should be i.e. a tower with a flying saucer on top. For grand projects like this or something like LUAS or Metro, the government should have a special fast track to bypass our disastrous planning system. Horrible Lego buildings pop up every single day because nobody knows enough about them to object. But worthwhile projects which have a high profile end up on the backburner because of lunatics like O’Nuallain.
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September 29, 2000 at 10:30 am #715337AnonymousParticipant
. . . and his creaking pals, Daithi Hanly, Uinseann Mac Eoin and Ulick O’Connor, who co-signed his recent letter to The Phoenix.
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September 29, 2000 at 11:21 am #715338ORAISTEParticipant
SYRINGE IN THE DINGE
dear la la
i think its great the names that people come up with for all the art pieces
i wonder does berties mates encourage him to get pieces put up so they can come up with funny names
on a personal note i think it shows the irish character for what it is, funny
but on a serious note there are many problems in this country and for the most part i think that most government, planners architects have no vision and keep this country where it iswe are at a point in time where we can really make an amazing contributioon to this city and to this country, the tiger is roaring but the money is not going to where it should be
i just came back from sweeden and denmark and was amazed to see the organization of theings and there infrastructure
who says socialism is a bad thing?walking around the docks for the first time in over 16 months, as i was working away, i was amazed to see the changes but i was sad to see how dead it was, i talked to many people there, workers, passers through, kids in sherriff street playground and while there are nice buildings it could be a whole lot more
what can we do???
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October 3, 2000 at 7:42 pm #715339AnonymousParticipant
As student planner (2nd year of MSc. in ‘planning’ in Cardiff University) i can’t wait to see ‘the spire’ go up on O’Connell Street.
I think it’ll be a great new, modern monument that Dublin City (and Ireland) could be proud of.
I have seen projected pictures of the monument and while i worked for Fingal Co.Co. on O’Connell St. this summer i tried to imagine what it would look like from several different streets.
I think that from whatever angle it will be viewed from, it will certainly be an attractive focal point that will enhance the visual quality of our national thoroughfare.
As for people moaning about it ‘not fitting in’ – why should it fit into the (at present) dominant architectural styles found on the street. They represent their own architectural eras (the 20th century or before).
We are now in the 21st century. Why should we not follow our predecessors lead and build something that is ‘cutting edge’ and RELEVANT to today?
Think for example, of the Eiffel Tower in Paris. It was built a hundred or more years ago as a temporary structure for the World Fair.
Not everybody liked it but, it represented the pinacle of French engineering at that time, even better, it was ‘cutting edge’ and symbolized a forward-looking France, embracing new technologies and styles of the time.Needless to say, The Eiffel Tower went on to become arguably the most famous symbol of France.
So, why can’t we here in Ireland erect, and be proud of, something that will be far from meaningless, in that ‘the spire’ will be symbolic of our new found wealth, and our hopefully continued well-being and bright future???
Lets’ have a modern monument for a MODERN IRELAND!
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October 4, 2000 at 6:13 pm #715340MKParticipant
No more on this subject.
The Spire should be built.
Dara Holohan, may I congradulate you on your wise words, and you must be the new messiah of the planning world. We need more open minded, well educated Planners, not the territorial minded types.(Northside vs Southside, do intelligent people really care about that, I doubt it).
Anyway, let the spire be built as a symbol of these times. Do those against the spire want more Po Mo spew. We have all learn our lesson from postmodernism, & the lesson is ” NEVER TRY TO MAKE A PASTISCHE MOCKERY OF TIMES GONE BY, MOVE FORWARD”. -
October 5, 2000 at 1:49 pm #715341AnonymousParticipant
If yea want a modern statement why not make it eco-friendly and do it with recycled materials rather then energy intensive aluminium. A mate of mine built the bulk of an eco-resort in Australia (Eco beach, Broome)out of recycled materials.
As for the materials required I would recommed recycling the Wellington Memorial up in the Park. It would satisfy a multitude of constituencies.
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October 5, 2000 at 2:45 pm #715342AnonymousParticipant
“Kiss me, Hardy.”
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October 5, 2000 at 3:31 pm #715343MKParticipant
99% less energy is utilised when recycling aluminium, as opposed to the original extraction process from bauxite.
If Dublin corporation were to recycle all the aluminium cans from their bins & streets, this would be an achievable eco-friendly method of building the spire.
Its also quite symbolic.
A symbol of prosperity & beauty, rising up from the pile of rubbish which it is created from -
October 9, 2000 at 7:42 pm #715344AnonymousParticipant
MK,
the spire is made from stainless steel, not aluminium. -
October 10, 2000 at 10:56 am #715345MKParticipant
I thought so, but seeing as everyone was speaking of aluminium, I presumed my information was incorrect.
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October 13, 2000 at 3:36 pm #715346AnonymousParticipant
The minister has taken over two months to make a final decision and yet there is still no answer forthcoming, what is he waiting for? We need a final decision either way so the regeneration of O’Connell Street can proceed with or without the spike.
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October 15, 2000 at 1:35 pm #715347FozzieParticipant
As far as I can gather the best thing the spike has going for it is that it will encourage people to look up, thus avoiding the garish open sewer that is O’Connell St. at street level.
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November 4, 2000 at 12:00 am #715348AnonymousParticipant
I heard tonight from quite a source that the Minister has decided to scrap the entire project – any comment?
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November 4, 2000 at 12:15 pm #715349AnonymousParticipant
it is starting to look that way now, if he was behind the project surely he would have given the go ahead before now. I think It will be a great shame if the monument does not go ahead and will be very curious to know exactley what the minister would suggest for the site should he not approve the monument.
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December 4, 2000 at 1:40 pm #715350Martin ShielsParticipant
I think it’s great and the sooner they build it the better.
For the cynics out there – look on the bright side. A giant metal spike will symbolise the way our city has been shafted over the years. -
December 5, 2000 at 11:36 pm #715351-Donnacha-Participant
Unfortunately, a mindset that rejects modern, revolutionary design, prevails among our public representatives. This is reflected in a preference for pastiche (like fake Georgian), which rejects architecture and public art that is progressive.
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December 11, 2000 at 10:31 pm #715352seamasParticipant
thankfully the IRA blew up nelson’s pillar. instead of considering what we should put up, why not look more closely at other things we should pull down. the corpo should invest the money set aside for the spike in setting up a new organisation who’s job it is to do away with similar offensive eyesores. any suggestions?
what’s the big deal about having a monument anyway? whatever gets erected will just date terribly like much of ireland’s modern architecture
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December 12, 2000 at 11:45 am #715353Rory WParticipant
Seamus, what a poxy attitude to have. “lets not build it because it will look dated” sweet jesus…. As Homer Simpson once said “trying is the first step towards failure”. Such a defeatest attitude. Typically Irish might I add.
As for putting the money into organisations to do away with “mistakes” of the past – on whos taste would we rely. Yours, mine, David Norris (We could all live in mock Georgian splendour), some gobshite minister from the country (remember Jimmy Tully, if not read about him in the Destruction of Dublin). Everybody’s taste is different, I like O’Connell Bridge House. My father hates busaras etc.
I heard somewhere that they were going to proceed with an “emasculated” version of the spire by chopping 20m off the top. What a cop out.
Please build it. It is a wonderful piece of art.
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December 12, 2000 at 12:12 pm #715354MGParticipant
I heard unofficially that there is little appetite within the corpo architects dept / ian richie architects to proceed if forced to chop the height down by the minister
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