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  • #729147
    Jack White
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    Marlborogh St is a really depressing place and I think that when the cops cleared the junkies off O’Connell St a few years ago that most of them headed straight to Marlborogh St. The stretch between Talbot St and Abbey St must be the most rundown spot in Dublin. We should be nostalgic because this is what O’Connell St used to be like.

    #729148
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Yes it does high-light the progress that has been made but I think that this must be viewed as a transition from an unacceptable position as opposed to progress per se. Whilst it will not be possible for surrounding streets to be finished to the same standard as that of the O’Connell St IAP; these streets must be returned to at least the same standard as corresponding streets on the southside such as Fleet St or Exchequer St.

    #729149
    kefu
    Participant

    Marlborough Street’s junkie contingent appear to have taken up residence on the Eden Quay boardwalk – the Sheriff Street of Dublin’s boardwalks.

    #729150
    Jack White
    Participant

    No one seems to use the new section of the boardwalk, well that is before the Sherrif St contingent.

    #729151
    GregF
    Participant

    I thought the Gardai were going to patrol the O’ Connell Street and Boardwalk more regularly, to move along the scumbags and gurriers. That’s what they promised last year. The committment is’nt there as always!

    #729152
    TLM
    Participant

    Yeah, I think a police presence around both O’Connell Street and the boardwalk is pretty important… Does anyone have any idea when the kiosks are actually going to go in?? It would be good if it could be done in time for this summer (wishful thinking probably!)

    #729153
    Jack White
    Participant

    Policing is what makes a city.

    The kiosks will be next year at the earliest.

    #729154
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Well their presence on O’Connell St is always noticable – and reassuring, though they should get up a bit more from leaning against the GPO all day; it’s probably notorious within the force by now: ‘ah I’m GPOing today’…

    @Thomond Park wrote:

    Marlborough St…is an utter disgrace when you consider that this Street contains

    1> The Cathedral of the majority religion.
    2> The National Theatre
    3> The Planning Appeals Board
    4> The Headquarters of the Department of Education.
    5> The most important Tourism and hospitality College in the Country

    That’s a very good point – it is a major street, yet is in bits for the most part, including the public domain of the Catherdral area even if the buildings are of significance around here.
    It’s a very strange place all the same – it doesn’t feel like a street because it varies so substantially in nature along its length, from a parkland feel around the Dept of Education, to deserted roadway further up (lovely Gerogians though), to a coach park in others, to 70s timewarp at the southern end.

    Agreed it is in a disgraceful condition in parts, and generally poor overall. Whatever about the delays on O’Connell St, the IAP hasn’t come next or near any other street at all! Marlborough St, Sackville Place, Parnell St, Westmoreland St, D’Olier St, College St, Hawkins St, Burgh Quay…

    At least some owners are making an effort on Marlborough St – these Georgians are just coming to the end of an extensive restoration and look magnificent, incl the delightful pawnbrokers sign]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v219/Dublin1/MarlboroughStGeorgians.jpg[/IMG]

    Stephen you raised an interesting point about Marlborough St not needing expensive granite paving, it doesn’t, or most other streets for that matter. But what is so ridiculously ironic at the minute regarding this idea is the fact that the temporary concrete paving currently going down on Upper O’Connell St to accomodate the new works is without doubt the best paving this area has seen in 20 years! Upper O’Connell St has never looked so good!

    It really goes to show the shameful, shambolic ignorance the Corporation, and even latter City Council paid to this street. Since the mid-late 90s O’Cll St’s paving was in bits – dangerously so in places: and yet only now, at the end of the old layout’s life, when it is needed least in terms of expected lifespan, brand new concrete paving is laid for temporary works lasting perhaps 12 moths, despite it beingh capable of lasting 12 years!

    The regular new kerbstones and evenly laid paving slabs highlight more than anything the shambolic state of the older pavements, but moreover how simple and cheap it would have been to replace them, even as late as 1998-2000 in anticiption of the IAP works.
    There is a form of paving in between salubrious granite and dereliction – something the Corpo didn’t seem to pick up on.

    Some pics of Fr Matthew and wow, he is indeed marble! What a transformation!

    Can’t wait to see what he looks like in contrast with the deadpan limestone base – what a contribution he’ll make to the streetscape. He’s turned into one of the finest monuments on the street! Considering he’s been there since 1893, it’s hardly surprising he was that dirty.

    Also Larkin – the plinth looking very well:

    He doesn’t look much different on top – as to be expected really: just traffic dirt removed and a protective coating applied:

    Finally William Smith O’Brien has just gone uder scaffolding and cleaning is already underway – there’s suspicous rumblings going on inside 🙂

    We can expect him to emerge sparlking white too, given he was sculpted of marble also and is blatenty white in most old photographs such as above.

    #729155
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    The statues will look great when finished it appears, although they will take a little getting used to given the dramatic shift, I remember when the front facade of Trinity was cleaned 15 years ago, it looked very strange for a while even if it did look a lot better. The contrast in the FR Mathew statue should be very interesting and one wonders was the original sculptor thinking more of an indoor sculpture than an outdoor one relying on the dual-colour for effect.

    The pawn brokers in Marlborogh St is coming on well and it is good to see occupiers investing in their premises to such an extent, I had occaision to visit this business in December while Christmas shopping and they have really good jewellery. What was interesting about the visit was that there are so many vacant shops on Cathedral St that they were able to do a short-term let on the premises directly next door to their own under renovation. If this isn’t a sign of failure of the retail market in this area I don’t know what is because they could have chosen from a number of other shops in that terrace at the same time.

    It is a very good point you make regarding the divergent nature of Marlborogh St which should be the strength of the Street, how many Streets have a parkland setting as good as the Department of Ed in the centre of the street? It is such an asset which allows the planting to be contained behind the railings giving a sense of greenery without the shadowing that on-street trees have. The section between Talbot St and Abbey St is in rag order there are at least 10 buildings that should have moves made to get the owners to implement their plans or be CPO’d. It is the failure of this section of the Street that has ensured that the entire area has failed to benefit from the Luas line unlike the Jervis/Liffey St area which has regenerated significantly.

    #729156
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Agree about the changing nature of the street. Its definately a strong point. IMO the main killer of this street is Irish Life and most certainly Dublin Bus. The fact that the Talbot to Abbey section is a buspark would turn any business off. Also Dublin Bus own a redbrick pile here that could do with the chop. The dreadful office building next door on Sackville Place is also a candidate for demolition. Perhaps an enhanced Clerys can do something with this area. Irish Life too are doing nobody any favours with their dead street frontage, Even the section in front of the Abbey Theatre is disappointing seeing as it fronts a national institution.

    Some hope is in the air…as well as the pawnbrokers mentioned above. The large pub on Marl St is being renovated (although Im not sure to what standard) Also plans are underway for all three corner buildings on Abbey Street axis. however until such basics as removing the buses and improving the general environment are undertaken I think its set to remain a dissatisfyingly under used street.

    #729157
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    It is a very well made point about the effect of buses parking for long periods on this section of Marlborogh St, it serves to effectively sever the Street into two sections making it a most unpleasant street to cross thereby making it an unactractive pedestrian environment which has made successful retailing more difficult at this location. The necessity of most bus routes to terminus in the City Centre is highly questionable in my opinion, what Dublin Bus could do is to examine which city bus routes could be doubled up to serve opposite sides of the city, for example an amalgamation of Route 130 from Clontarf to City Centre with Route 14 from the City Centre to Churchtown and so on. Buses such as the 16A function effectively on the route from Dublin Airport to Rathfarnham and this method eliminates a lot of city centre parking requirement and resulting congestion. The main obstacle to the implementation of this has been the fact that the only bridge that DB have used for cross city buses in the past has been O’Connell St and if one of the objectives of the O’Connell St IAP is to reduce traffic on the Street alternative routes would need to be found to allow new routings to occur. It is possible that both Capel St and Marlborogh St could be used as cross city routes with the existing Grattan Bridge and if the mooted pedestrian bridge for Marlborogh St/Hawkins St were upgraded to a public transport bridge from North to South and Butt bridge used in the opposite direction.

    The ‘dreadful office building’ next to the Dublin Bus offices is Sackville House which was built in the early 70’s and featured in the film Adam & Paul as the location where the homeless junkies slept out whilst in town. It would be a good result if Cleary’s were to acquire it and expand into this Street, but I remember seeing the sale brochure on it about a year ago, it is unfortunately multi-tenanted with some of the leases having a term of greater than 10 years remaining.

    The Abbey is dissapointing and it would appear that this situation will be ongoing for some time, The Irish Life will never deliver for Marlborogh St as each of the office buildings at this end of the complex has two entrances one to the Street and the other from the elevated and landscaped courtyard within the complex, it is not a difficult decision on where to put reception.

    Is the Taxi rank on O’Connell St part of the IAP or will it be phased out, it has struck me that if it is to be accomodated then at that point of the Street there will be a necessity for six traffic lanes which will have adverse effects on the overplan.

    #729158
    GrahamH
    Participant

    It has to go, there’s no way two lines of cars can be allowed park here as part of the new scheme.
    But it would seem they are to be moved – they’re not included in the IAP drawings – allbethey 7 years old at this stage…
    Does anyone know the link to that page posted before of recent plans for Upper O’Cll St? It should be included in that.
    For the time being anyway during the works the taxi rank is being moved up to outside the Gate.

    Buses are the death of Marlborough St alright – they make it so hostile for pedestrians, as well as significantly narrowing the street making it just unpleasant full stop for all users. And yes that office building,….can it even be described as such?!

    Here’s an entirely unfair view of the poles of Lower O’Connell St – but interesting nonetheless 🙂

    And the bikes:

    #729159
    Jack White
    Participant

    Those pictures illustrate the point I am making about the median. What is the point in putting in top quality paving if it is only going to be covered in poles and mopeds?

    #729160
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Surely that number of poles can’t be required for such a small section of the Street? What strikes me about the second image is the balance between mopeds/motorbikes and bicycles, you don’t see that proportion of motorbikes on the streets as opposed to bicycles.

    I wonder why O’Connell St wasn’t used for the eurovision background, surely this is our best civic space?

    #729161
    kefu
    Participant

    This is from the City Council Press Office:

    As part of the overall redesign and redevelopment of O’Connell Street, Dublin City Council is delighted to announce the completion of the cleaning and conservation works to the O’Connell Monument on O’Connell Street.
    One of the first of the monuments to be completed, the O’Connell monument, is set to be revealed in all its glory over the coming week. Work on removing the extensive scaffolding that was erected to allow the work to be carried out, will begin today on Monday May 23rd
    The O’Connell Monument was designed by John Henry Foley and unveiled in 1882 to commemorate Daniel O’ Connell, the Emancipator. The cleaning/conservation programme for O’Connell took an expert team over 1,000 hours to complete. The bronze figures (including O’Connell himself, a frieze with over thirty figures and the four winged victories) were first washed with detergent using soft bristle brushes. An acrylic pigment was painted onto areas where the bronze patina was lost and the final treatment involved the application of three
    coats of protective wax which will form a weather proof barrier and enhance the appearance of the bronze.
    The granite blocks were cleaned using a micro abrasive system that applied fine glass powder at a very low pressure. This cleans away dirt particles while avoiding any damage to the stone surface. All joints between the blocks were raked out by hand and repointed using a hydraulic lime mortar.
    The works have tackled damage caused by environmental erosion, air pollution, bird droppings, graffiti and decay. However other damage such as the bullet holes in the O’Connell Monument from the 1916 Rising will not be repaired or restored. This type of damage tells part of the story of the monument, O’Connell Street itself and of the history and heritage of the state.
    Indeed during the course of works ten bullet holes were identified in the figure of O’Connell alone with two bullets through his right temple. In all approximately thirty bullet holes were counted in total on the monument.
    The cost for the works to all eight monuments in the O’Connell Street area will be in the region of 300,000 euros with around half that cost for the O’Connell Monument.
    “The quality of the results is very impressive, with the O’Connell Monument looking old but well cared for” said Dublin City Council’s Heritage Officer Donncha O’Dulaing.

    #729162
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Daniel OConnell is being unveiled…looks fab.

    #729163
    GregF
    Participant

    Hope they keep it and the rest looking like that in future

    #729164
    GrahamH
    Participant

    @kefu wrote:

    Indeed during the course of works ten bullet holes were identified in the figure of O’Connell alone with two bullets through his right temple. In all approximately thirty bullet holes were counted in total on the monument.

    Fascinating that there are so many bullet holes! No doubt some of them were direct pot-shots at him from the river…

    Can’t wait to see what the Monument looks like – apparently most of not all of the scaffolding is coming down this afternoon. I see they mention granite again in the press release :rolleyes:

    The speed with which the monuments on the street have been tackled is very impressive, and largely finished in time for the summer tourist season too.
    A job well done by the contractors and City Council, and money well spent.

    #729165
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    A fantastic job,

    the contrast between the bronze and the stone is really striking, I am surprised that all the statues could be done for 300k given how specialist a job it is. I hope that this timely completion is a flavour of what we can expect to see in the future.

    #729166
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @RTE Interactive wrote:

    Calls for Government to buy Pearse note

    23 May 2005 17:16
    There have been calls for the Government to purchase a surrender note handwritten by the revolutionary leader, Padraig Pearse, during the 1916 Easter Rising.

    The note, which is being valued at up to &#8364]http://www.rte.ie/news/2005/0523/auction.html[/url]

    It would be a good exhibition piece for the GPO.

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