O’ Connell Street, Dublin
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- May 7, 2005 at 4:18 pm #729087
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Inactive@weehamster wrote:
I seen many old photos of Dublin before, but never seen that roof before? Does anyone have more pictures of that building?
WH,
That sinister looking building housed the Headquarters of the Dublin Bread Company and was lost along with many others during Easter Week 1916. There are numerous images of it available with the most interesting one being the vista from the West side of O’Connell Bridge.
Graham,
A very comprenhensive history of Dublin lighting, my personal favourite of all those posts must be the deco inspired concrete ones from 1936, it is disgraceful that the last of these has recently been removed. Whilst pastiche is desirable in particular locations it is simply not acceptable that quality 1930’s street furniture be removed to recreate something that never existed at a particular location.
May 7, 2005 at 5:02 pm #729088kefu
ParticipantThere’s a pic of the Bread Company building in this thread
https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3156&highlight=dublin+bread+companyMay 7, 2005 at 6:13 pm #729089urbanisto
ParticipantThe Sheahan Monument on Hawkins Street has already been completed. check it out. Looks great. Someone laid a couple of wreaths to celebrate.
Great info on the heritage lighting in the city Graham. Should try and give it its own page so it is kept.
May 7, 2005 at 9:22 pm #729090Morlan
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….May 7, 2005 at 10:07 pm #729091DublinLimerick
ParticipantBeautiful pictures, Morlan.
May 8, 2005 at 3:58 am #729092GrahamH
ParticipantYes – lovely pictures Morlan, you manage to capture floodlighting very well which can be quite difficult.
The seahorse ones are original Victorians from around 1875-80ish, though their lanterns are later – probably early 20th century resulting from an electric conversion.
Fleet St is a repro.
South Anne St are repros (though possibly original bases from elsewhere)
St. Stephen’s Green are repros – dating from circa 2005 :); though their grand columns are very much so Victorian – they originally featured American-style kind of collegiate-like globes atop, not unlike the OPW lamps on Green East.
South King St – repros too. Though I think they look really magnificent. They were recently painted black and the central shamrock in the head painted gold – very unusual and they give the street a unique identity.
Ah the Bread Building – how did you never see that before weehamster?! It’s pictured in every first class history book in the ‘what your street looked like in 1900’ section, or on the ‘O’Connell St in days gone by’ page ๐
What is the name of this street?
Do you recognise the building with the pillars in the centre of the street? What is it called? What flag is flying overhead?
Ask your parents about the pillar in the middle of the street. Is it still there today?
Write a short account of your visit to the street in 1900 ๐There’s two things that I find very interesting about the lampposts of O’Cll St.
One – that the swan-neck c1903 ones survived both 1916 and 1922 – extraordinary!
Presumably after 1922 is when the weird new black lamps were attached as some of the globes and fittings must have been blasted out of it – so the city overall was also done at the same time.Secondly, the fact that contrary to what is perhaps common belief, O’Connell St never had grand Victorian lampposts! It was a very simple, basic affair with just the small columns.
The trademark tall silver columns all over the city were never erected by the Victorians here – quite startling considering they went up pretty much everywhere else, yet the main street was left out!I’ve always wondered when most of these posts around the city date from – the 1870s? There’s never a word said in any books or articles as to their date – just the usual focus on their decoration, and loosely describing them as ’19th century’ etc.
The loss of the late 30s posts on College St is a disgrace. Whereas I’d support the installation of the (excellent) repro posts in areas where their effect is reinforced, and in places that they contribute to the image of the city such as around Christchurch etc as they have become such an institution, much more than just heritage pieces they’re now one of the foremost representations of the city – but to put them in in place of other historic pieces of street furniture is nothing short of a joke, whatever about the loss of the original fabric itself.
This small area of posts should have been consolidated rather than undermined ๐ก
A close eye will be kept on the remaining ones…May 9, 2005 at 12:48 am #729093Devin
ParticipantThanks for all that Graham. Iรขโฌโขve got some stuff on lamps in the city myself which I shall put up soon. The quality, design and appropriateness-to-location of new lamp standards, and importance of protecting our historic lamp standards, are soo important, but, unlike buildings, lamps can often come and go without you noticing…
May 9, 2005 at 3:03 am #729094Anonymous
InactiveGreat images Morlan,
I really think that Heritage lighting should have its own thread. Often on threads like O’Connell St great information tends to get buried due to the sheer quantum of different aspects disscussed. It often strikes me that some of the best threads in discussion forums can often only have three or 4 replies before the point gets nailed. ๐
May 9, 2005 at 3:43 am #729095GrahamH
Participant…as opposed to 1270 ๐
Agreed about a new thread for old street lighting – by all accounts if Paul wants to move any content feel free, as long as nobody else has any objections to theirs being moved…
Originally that post started out with just the lighting of O’Connell St, but it just got bigger and bigger, and then bigger again once posted!
Dublin’s Heritage Street Lighting seems like a decent thread alright – just not ‘antique’ or something – kinda patronising to the technologies of old or something…
Or various threads for other cities’ lighting either, just that Dublin tends to swamp anything that’s non-specific.Interesting how heritage lighting and ‘heritage’ lighting mean entirely different things ๐
May 9, 2005 at 3:43 pm #729096Morlan
ParticipantThanks for the feedback!
May 9, 2005 at 4:23 pm #729097Anonymous
InactiveAh the Bread Building – how did you never see that before weehamster?! It’s pictured in every first class history book in the ‘what your street looked like in 1900’ section, or on the ‘O’Connell St in days gone by’ page
Wow. The front, now I remember. I have seen before, but the roof? Strange thats I have never noticed that before. How can I miss that? ๐ฎ
I can only presume its just I’ve only seen photots of it close up (not showing the roof) or of O’Connell St before and after it was built. ๐ฎ
May 9, 2005 at 5:42 pm #729098Anonymous
InactiveBut what do you think of the Bread Building Weehamster, do you like it?
May 10, 2005 at 1:55 am #729099JPD
ParticipantThe image above of the building in O’connell street reminds me of one of the control posts that used to be on the border.
May 10, 2005 at 2:16 am #729100GrahamH
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That’s where I’d seen it before!
Here it is before and after 1916 as pictured in the IAP – it was literally the only building left standing out of that entire terrace:

By the time 1916 come along, the Hibernian Bank was already come into possession of the building – I think they used it as their HQ – wouldn’t you?!
Also just a pic below of O’Connell Monument at its most magnificent, without its railings, but surrounded by the four splendid lamp standards. Interesting that the railings weren’t totally original to the monument, but arrived a couple of years later.

The disappearance of the four lamps was a terrible loss to the stature of the monument – they gave it a dignity and power that just isn’t there anymore. Here, in its original state, the mounument completely dominates with the lamps helping to spread its power out into the street, while now the median curtails it in a most unfortunate way.
The lamps disappeared in around 1930.Also the insert in the picture depicts a small turreted building that can be seen to the right at the juction with Sackville Place.
A correction regarding the O’Connell Bridge lamps needs to be made – their alteration did not happen in 1919 as stated, as can be seen not least in the 1916 picture above where they’re already altered! It occured somewhere between 1900 and 1916.
The 1919 date is from an official City Council document, but is clearly incorrect ๐ฎMay 10, 2005 at 2:19 am #729101Anonymous
InactiveThose lamps are fantastic
May 10, 2005 at 2:21 am #729102Anonymous
Inactive@Graham Hickey wrote:
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That’s where I’d seen it before!
Here it is before and after 1916 as pictured in the IAP – it was literally the only building left standing out of that entire terrace:

By the time 1916 come along, the Hibernian Bank was already come into possession of the building – I think they used it as their HQ – wouldn’t you?!
Also just a pic below of O’Connell Monument at its most magnificent, without its railings, but surrounded by the four splendid lamp standards. Interesting that the railings weren’t totally original to the monument, but arrived a couple of years later.

The disappearance of the four lamps was a terrible loss to the stature of the monument – they gave it a dignity and power that just isn’t there anymore. Here, in its original state, the mounument completely dominates with the lamps helping to spread its power out into the street, while now the median curtails it in a most unfortunate way.
The lamps disappeared in around 1930.Also the insert in the picture depicts a small turreted building that can be seen to the right at the juction with Sackville Place.
A correction regarding the O’Connell Bridge lamps needs to be made – their alteration did not happen in 1919 as stated, as can be seen not least in the 1916 picture above where they’re already altered! It occured somewhere between 1900 and 1916.
The 1919 date is from an official City Council document, but is clearly incorrect ๐ฎNew page ๐ฎ
If there was ever a correct time to indulge in pastiche lighting it must be to replace those lamps around the O’Connell monument.
May 10, 2005 at 1:14 pm #729103Rory W
Participant@Thomond Park wrote:
New page ๐ฎ
If there was ever a correct time to indulge in pastiche lighting it must be to replace those lamps around the O’Connell monument.
Not at this stage, would look completely out of character with the rest of the street now. Perhaps a contemporary interpretation of the lamps though
May 10, 2005 at 5:19 pm #729104Anonymous
InactiveI think you could get away with four of them at each corner of the monument as they would appear to be part of the monument’s curtilage as opposed to free-standing lamps. I totally agree on the need for contemporary lighting on the rest of the Street as it is best to have a lighting scheme as unified as is possible.
May 11, 2005 at 1:09 am #729105GrahamH
ParticipantI think a contemporary interpretation of the posts would be inappropriate – already there is too much clutter; at least if the original designs were reinserted they would clearly demarcate themselves from the rest of the post-mania behind; the eye associating them with the Monument rather than the street at large.
Though I must admit there is something a little strange about putting in replica posts, i.e. the fact that these would be as new as the contemporary ones going in a few metres away!
They were very much so an integral part of the monument’s design orginally, they were the exact height of the lower third of the structure, being capped off just as the second third begins really establishing it into the street. But nowadays would it be inappropriate to have such dominant features of the streetscape as replicas?
Then again, if the statue of O’Connell or any of its other fatures for whatever reason disappeared or got damaged over the years it would be replaced without hesitation as part of the IAP/HARP projects…Unfortunately either way, as things stand there is simple no space for them to go in – they’d complelely block the narrow pieces of pavement either side of the monument.
It is a pity that despite all of the progress that is happening on the street, presumably what was the very cause of the posts’ removal in the first place is still preventing them from going back – traffic.May 11, 2005 at 4:11 am #729106Anonymous
Inactive@Archiseek news wrote:
Caherciveen launches appeal to save church named after O’Connell
Archiseek / Ireland / News / 2005 / April 29
The Irish TimesThe “only church in Christendom” to be named after a lay person is falling down. The Daniel O’Connell Memorial Church, named after the liberator who was born at Carhan, Caherciveen, Co Kerry, in 1775 will need a รขโยฌ5 million restoration programme if it is to be saved, a meeting in Caherciveen, has heard. It was “no ordinary church”, said Leonard Hurley, one of those leading the restoration programme. Papal approval had to be sought for the building and in the late 1870s, Pope Leo XIII not only approved but presented a block of marble from the catacombs in Rome, to serve as a foundation stone. A recent report by a team of architects and engineers had outlined several works including the need to re-point all the granite stonework, to repair the windows and erect rainwater guttering.
In no way can O’Connell’s contribution to Irish History be underestimated it is in that regard that it may be appropriate to view the lighting of this monument of World importance in a manner befitting the age of its construction.
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