O’ Connell Street, Dublin
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- April 1, 2005 at 2:43 pm #728947
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ParticipantRegulars to the site will mourn the passing of a famous Dublin landmark. Most of you will have grown up with it and gazed at it fondly as you rambled along the wider-than-it-is-longer splendor of OConnell Bridge. But along with the Pillar, the Royal and the Capital another piece of Dublin’s heritage is gone. Yes, its the half completed traffic lights Batchelors Walk…put in place in a long faded time when blakc and clunky was in and now finally replaced with smart grey and steel light.
Meanwhile, in a bid to improve the state of its premises and play its part iin the rejuvenation of our main street, Burger King have erected a huge advertisement for !!!Baguettes!!! across their facade, Very classy. Didnt notice the planning permission, or is it not necessary.
April 1, 2005 at 3:09 pm #728948Lotts
Participant@StephenC wrote:
…. Didnt notice the planning permission, or is it not necessary.
I too would love to know the answer to this one. These signs in general have been bugging me for a long time now. Does anyone know the procedure needed to be followed or the proper route to object?
April 1, 2005 at 3:13 pm #728949Anonymous
InactiveIf it is any help, I noticed that there was planning permission on the former Department of Justice Buildings on Stephens Green for advertising hoardings whilst the building is being altered. Is there some sort of rule on the lenght of time that advertising can be displayed for without planning?
April 1, 2005 at 3:34 pm #728950Anonymous
InactivePlanning permission is required for all development including plastic wrap type advertising, even when they are of a temporary nature, I once saw a residents association take an appeal to ABP against the granting of permission for advertising on the exterior of scaffolding while a terrace of housing was being renovated. Their rationale was that by the time ABP had made a decision the houses would be renovated,
It does appear that the same buildings are the main offenders and it appears to be a game of cat and mouse between the City Council and building owners. The one that stands out for me is the corner stone bar on the corner of Wexford St and Kevin St, who errect a hoarding every 6-12 months; a month later when challenged it disappears and believe me they have a unique ability to select the tackiest products and designs. Burger King on O’Connell St is another and given the status of O’Connell St as an Architectural Conservation Area meaningful action should be taken against OKR Group Ireland.
April 1, 2005 at 8:08 pm #728951GrahamH
ParticipantYes you’d think that the street’s status would’ve prevented this kind of stuff.
I really hate these banner yokes – they’re terrible eyesores. As is mentioned, the Cornerstone Bar is a particularly nasty offender also.Not that even the most dignified of stores are immune from them – Clery’s has been known to put the odd Sale one up stretched across the lower central part of the facade – albeit more muted in nature.
As for the traffic lights, it’s a sad day, another Dublin institution swiped from under us in the cover of darkness.
To think pedestrians can now cross the road in comfort and safety. A sad day indeed :rolleyes:As the bad old days was mentioned there, perhaps I’ll post this now.
Don’t know if it’s of interest, but below is an extract from a wonderful book entitled ‘Dublin’ which was part of the ‘The Great Cities’ series published in the 70s, and was written by Brendan Lehane. Some may have it; it’s something of a 1970s version of the glossy ‘Dublin – A Grand Tour’ 🙂
It’s still available if you search – but it is the most extraordinary book to read during these times, as it captures the capital when it was probably at its lowest point, in 1978, both in text and photographs.
Written 7 years or so before the Destruction of Dublin, and long before all of that Millenium hullabaloo, there is a sadness woven through much of its text, and virtually every photograph is as glum and depressing as one could imagine. There is a decaying Dublin captured in time, and so many sights and customs and traits that have long disappeared, some for the best, some not so.
Suppose it was my first real introduction to the Dublin, and is the book that sparked my interest in the city.Anyway, here’s an extract describing O’Connell Street in 1977/8, painting it very much so as a place for young people. There’s so much you still recognise, and other elements that have long gone – lovely piece of writing.
By Brendan Lehane:
One of the great contrasts of Dublin is to pass from O’Connell Bridge to its wide and eponymous street. On the bridge, ragged, smear-faced itinerants, women with babes at their breasts, children with wild eyes and matted hair, sit or lie on the cold hard pavements, looking away from the dropped coins, passively anticipating an undernourished, sub-human life that sociologists show will last on average less than 40 years. Half a mile upstream you can glimpse an enchanting skyline of steeples, spires and Byzantine domes above the controversial Wood Quay, and area the Dublin Corporation threatens to choke with concrete office blocks. God’s city, with Mammon at the gates. To me the view in the frost-clear twilight, a red sky behind, with its message of many faiths and much antiquity, is one of the greatest in Europe.
Yet there, at your elbow, is O’Connell Street, a wide and flashy thoroughfare, more hick-town than Irish. In the evenings, it is the resort of the young and unattached. Wind slews round from the river and whistles harshly up the street, disturbing the hair-dos of the girls waiting for their lads outside the General Post Office, chilling the central cordon of statues: O’Connell, massive in bronze, towering hugely over the more life-size figures of heroines and angels; William Smith O’Brien, who led a disastrous rising in 1848; Parnell; the 19th-Century temperance leader, Father Matthew. Buildings still raw from their hurried construction after the Troubles 60 years ago house the features of a debased, third-hand American culture: amusement arcades, burger-bars, and arena-sized cafés selling fried potatoes and chicken under the spurious image of some Kentucky patriarch.
Several men click cameras at passers-by and hand them cards, and the willingness of many people to be caught, here and now, on film, seems to underline the fleeting nature of this stage of their lives. O’Connell Street represents a short eruption of romance in workaday lives. It offers dance-halls and snack-bars to meet in, shooting-galleries and poolrooms to bring out manliness, chocolates and films to woo with, ring-shops to usher in the terminal contract. Everywhere there is music or muzak, synthetic melodies programmed to touch vulnerable emotions like steel on a raw wound, facilitating the holding of hands, the looking of looks, the meeting of lips. Even the Irish, with their inestimable gift for small-time chatter, need active solvents to dilute their shyness, as boys from garages and schools and banks eye the wallflowers at Conarchy’s or Barry’s dance parlours – nurses from the Maternity Hospital or students from local colleges or hostel-dwellers from Mountjoy Square – and pluck up courage to ask for a dance.
There are many incongruities on O’Connell Street: the grandiose sculptures, a waxen Christ encased in glass on a plinth; a stocky, bald evangelist with a face like Santa Claus’s shouting his message of salvation against the drone of traffic: “I say to you friends, that here, today, there is the glorious saviour Christ, who on that hill in Calvary paid with his life for all our sins….†And there are wagtails, black and white birds that have wintered in a huge flock among the central plane trees for as long as anyone can remember, regardless of the razzmatazz and the curious whine of the buses and the endless passing of cars and people. I often used to watch them in the bare branches, each in a constant fidget to find the fulcrum beneath its body and that long spatula tail. Occasionally one would fly quickly to the next tree, its white belly lit momentarily by the street lamps below. Why that bird, and why to the next tree were unanswerable questions.
But I have wondered whether the bird’s move ever proved as momentous, as it unruffled its feathers beside two new neighbours, as that of the lad who a few yards away was crossing the floor of Barry’s, to ask another sort of bird to share the next dance, and perhaps the next; and then to buy a soft drink, and later perhaps a vodka in the Parnell Mooney’s or Granby Bar; and a few months afterwards, to pop the question that O’Connell Street, with its lights and chords and dazzle of moving colours, had been prodding him to ask; and finally, some months after that, to call out his and her relations in their dark, becoming suits, their toiles and crêpes and hats of raffia with plastic Easter roses attached, to watch her pledge her life to him and him his life to her before leaving the limelight to new generations, moving into some murky suburb and a whirlpool of mortgage and gas bills, with only one fading photograph, taken by a working photographer under the pillars of the GPO, to bring back the good times of their youth.
April 1, 2005 at 8:30 pm #728952Anonymous
InactiveGraham Hickey wrote:Yes you’d think that the street’s status would’ve prevented this kind of stuff.
I really hate these banner yokes – they’re terrible eyesores. As is mentioned, the Cornerstone Bar is a particularly nasty offender also.Not that even the most dignified of stores are immune from them – Clery’s has been known to put the odd Sale one up stretched across the lower central part of the facade – albeit more muted in nature.
As for the traffic lights, it’s a sad day, another Dublin institution swiped from under us in the cover of darkness.
To think pedestrians can now cross the road in comfort and safety. A sad day indeed :rolleyes:As the bad old days was mentioned there, perhaps I’ll post this now.
Don’t know if it’s of interest, but below is an extract from a wonderful book entitled ‘Dublin’ which was part of the ‘The Great Cities’ series published in the 70s, and was written by Brendan Lehane. Some may have it]There is a difference between a facade the size of Cleary’s puting a relatively small banner with two colours on possibly 5% of their overall facade for a very limited and defined period. As opposed to an image dragged from the same dvd-rom that went to the printers for a magazine advert in Hello or Empire.
I had a look at the Corner Stone banners this evening, the banner is so large that it covers much of the pitched roof and to really crown it, it draws your eye up to the roof of the adjoining early 19th century house that has a rusty corrigated iron pitched roof. It brought me back to downtown La Paz in seconds, how many times have the owners of this bar done this in this most inappropriate locations?
In relation to the traffic lights I suppose it is progress from the roads department as at least it was only a set of polls this time and not an entire streetscape that was non-functional due to their efforts. Although I’m sure Devin would have something to say on the ‘visual clutter’ they created.
Graham Hickey posting Brendan Lehane wrote:
It’s still available if you search – but it is the most extraordinary book to read during these times, as it captures the capital when it was probably at its lowest point, in 1978, both in text and photographs.
Written 7 years or so before the Destruction of Dublin, and long before all of that Millenium hullabaloo, there is a sadness woven through much of its text, and virtually every photograph is as glum and depressing as one could imagine. There is a decaying Dublin captured in time, and so many sights and customs and traits that have long disappeared, some for the best, some not so.
Suppose it was my first real introduction to the Dublin, and is the book that sparked my interest in the city.Anyway, here’s an extract describing O’Connell Street in 1977/8, painting it very much so as a place for young people. There’s so much you still recognise, and other elements that have long gone – lovely piece of writing.
By Brendan Lehane:
One of the great contrasts of Dublin is to pass from O’]
That is an increadible piece of prose, I real pleasure to read, I presume you had to type that manually? Either way it is appreciated greately.
April 1, 2005 at 8:39 pm #728953GrahamH
ParticipantMy fingers hurt 🙁
April 1, 2005 at 8:41 pm #728954Anonymous
InactiveThats exactly why I dragged all your extremely worthwhile output onto this new page 😀
April 1, 2005 at 8:57 pm #728955Anonymous
InactiveInteresting read Graham. My favourite bit was this:
“Half a mile upstream you can glimpse an enchanting skyline of steeples, spires and Byzantine domes above the controversial Wood Quay, and area the Dublin Corporation threatens to choke with concrete office blocks. God’s city, with Mammon at the gates.”
Do you think the same author would now conclude that Mammon smashed the gates down?
April 1, 2005 at 9:17 pm #728956GrahamH
ParticipantWith a sledgehammer.
His book is a lovely read – he cares so much for the city. How he captures the nature of the decaying Georgian quarters is particularly striking. Might put up a few pics and extracts in another thread
April 3, 2005 at 3:50 pm #728957Anonymous
InactiveComparison between this image and earlier images bear no relation
April 4, 2005 at 5:25 pm #728958Anonymous
InactiveOn the subject of tacky temporary signage, the Kylemore Cafe has acquired a large sign advertising a langauge school, it really demeans the building.
April 4, 2005 at 5:39 pm #728959Anonymous
InactiveThis increasing trend is interesting in the light of the IAP of 1998 and its criticism of inappropriate signage. I also think the fact that the council are to surround the monuments with advertising during their overhaul shows a distinct lack of imagination on their part. It would be the perfect opportunity to follow on from the Table Tennis with some other temporary art installations. They could also display some of the other designs that the Spire was chosen over.
April 4, 2005 at 6:08 pm #728960GrahamH
ParticipantThat’s an interesting idea!
I saw the Burger King sign today – in the name of all that’s sane, what is Planning at in this city!?
And right beside the bridge too – you’d wonder. Clearly they feel they can get away with it, if that says anything about the level of enforcement of the ACA.Are there any penalties associated with this legislation, or is it just threats of legal proceedings that enforce it? If the latter’s the case, it’s weeks before authorities even notice something like this, when it’s already served its purpose.
Should have a pic soon – for what it’s worth…Saw the Cornerstone today too – or rather the banners wrapped around it. The building is completely obscured!
April 4, 2005 at 8:28 pm #728961Anonymous
InactiveGraham, another option might have been to place information around each monument about its construction or about the person being memorialised.
What is the ‘Cornerstone’? (Excuse my ignorance)
April 4, 2005 at 9:33 pm #728962Anonymous
Inactive@phil wrote:
What is the ‘Cornerstone’? (Excuse my ignorance)
Phil,
The Cornerstone is a period bar on the Corner of Wexford St and Kevin St, it was extensively renovated about five years ago and when it is not entirely covered in a multi-coloured plastic wrap above ground level it is very good early 19th Century corner Building. There were originally four corner bars at this location but the Corporations roads department levelled the other three to widen Cuffe St as part of the inner tangent route in the early 1980’s a pity really as the one directly opposite was a better building a real classic period Dublin Bar.
BTW The table tennis was a great novelty, you have changed ny mind on the temporary advertising, there is no way of telling just what might be put up on the hoardings.
April 4, 2005 at 11:22 pm #728963GrahamH
ParticipantThat’s a shame to hear about the four corner bars, never knew about them.
The Cornerstone is a really lovely building, with red brick on the upper two floors while the ground floor is made up of Portland stone arches – somewhat WSC style.
I was going to take a picture today but didn’t want to add impetus to Tommy Hilfiger’s campaign – damn, just have…April 4, 2005 at 11:31 pm #728964Anonymous
InactiveColloquially refered to as the four corners of hell following a thundering sermon by the parish Curate in Whitefrair St many generations ago.
There was a thread I came across that would be appropriate for posting Tommy which incidently is a cheap brand in the States apperntly he was a footballer before he became a fashion GURU: :confused:
here’s the thread: https://archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=3028&highlight=baggot
The second post concurs entirely with your own
April 4, 2005 at 11:45 pm #728965Anonymous
InactiveI have often defended certain advertising billboards (such as the ones the corner of Bachelors Walk and O’Connell Street), but it is mainly, I must admit, on nostalgic ‘they’ve always been there grounds’. I think that lately corporate advertising has been allowed to invade every facet of our lives, and when I heard about the hoardings around the monuments I felt it was the last straw. I think the most disappointing thing about it is that in general not very many people will mind. We are just so used to it that it is almost taken for granted and subliminal!
April 4, 2005 at 11:48 pm #728966GrahamH
ParticipantIt may be discreet given the info here – but even so…
From Medialive:
The following monuments are to be refurbished:-
– Parnell
– Fr Theobald Matthew
– James Joyce
– James Larkin
– Sir John Grey
– O’Connell
– Sheehan
– William Smith O’BrienSponsorship opportunity on all sides of each hoarding which will surround each monument
– 10% strip at the top of the hoarding on each side
– Hoarding is 12 ft high
– Width TBCDuration
– Work starts in April and ends in June / early July
– O’Connell and Parnell monument hoardings should be in place for 10 – 12 weeks
– All others will be 4 – 6 weeksCost
– Media Cost is €100,000
– Production Cost is €40,000 approxJust on the issue of the restorations – it seems we’re going to be in for a big surprise with William Smith O’Brien.
He is sculpted from pure white marble, yet is so dirty now he looks like limestone. Can’t wait to see the results! - AuthorPosts
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