O’ Connell Street, Dublin
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- November 4, 2004 at 9:39 am #728587
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InactiveOriginally posted by Graham Hickey
The new Savoy sign is really awful, the contrast with the distinguished upper floors is cruel – it sticks out like big lump, tacked onto the front of the building. The large expanse of silver cladding, Connolly Station style, makes the overhang even more clunky than it was, and the use of this modern material certainly does not create the effect it intends – to contrast the old facade with sleek contemporary design. Rather it makes the overall appearance worse; at least the old unit was blatently dilapidated, itching with potential. This yoke is just second-rate, for everyone to appreciate for aother 20 years.
Saying that, the doors etc look well, as do the electronic displays.I know we have discussed this before, but I was looking at it yesterday and I have come to the conclusion is that its main problem is the lack of symetry of the new entrance. I don’t think that the new sign would look as bad if everything underneath it was shifted to a more central location within the builiding. The fact that the newer bottom part of the building is off balance to the rest off the building takes away from it dramatically.
November 4, 2004 at 12:50 pm #728588urbanisto
ParticipantDiaspora – the thinking behind the reduced median and wider footpaths is that pedestrian traffic will use the sides and the median will be reserved for services…such as bik stands, telephone kiosks, and the retail units (according to the architect who designed the scheme at DCC)
November 4, 2004 at 7:25 pm #728589J. Seerski
ParticipantGreat News!
Acording to a friend who works in the Gresham, the Hotel is to close for four months in March in order for the hotel to be upgraded to five-star standard. This is a much needed boost if it goes ahead. Apparently the Hyatt group are posed to take over the hotel.
It was one of the greatest tragedies for O’Connell Street that the Gresham fell from being one of the worlds finest hotels (voted best hotel in the world in the mid-sixties – no other Irish hotel achieved such status). It is definitely the finest hotel facade in Dublin – restrained and elegant – and thankfully, in spite of attempts to demolish and replace with a shopping centre in the mid seventies, it remains stately in a part of the street that is otherwise neglected. The old Ryan group never did the hotel any justice, failing to invest in the hotel throughout the seventies and eighties while other Dublin hotels were opening or upgrading – though to their credit, they at least never destroyed the hotels exterior or lobby.Extending footpaths, palnting trees, and new streetlighting will only go so far in upgrading O’Connell Street. Developments, such as the possible upgrading of the Gresham, will play a crucial role in making the street a quality and pleasant destination.
At last a concrete example of the streets improving status is in the pipeline.:)
November 4, 2004 at 10:37 pm #728590Anonymous
InactiveOriginally posted by StephenC
Diaspora – the thinking behind the reduced median and wider footpaths is that pedestrian traffic will use the sides and the median will be reserved for services…such as bik stands, telephone kiosks, and the retail units (according to the architect who designed the scheme at DCC)That is very flawed thinking and will only serve to discourage pedestrian movement due to the clutter. The problem is the bike stands are double or triple rows which when bikes are on them make it very difficult to pass around.
I have little doubt that the retail units will flop on the basis of poor access which is a pity, I really like the way the retail units are done on the Hauptwache in Frankfurt, they are very slender with tables lined up at either end, they do a great trade and are a great place to sit on a fine day and admire the surroundings.
The key to the success of the central plaza is its width and accessibility to not continue this would be a mistake, it would be easy to put the two wheeled parking onto the side streets and reduce the number of retail units to a managable level.The news about the Gresham is fantastic and I really believe that recent schemes both built and in the pipeline will make their investment viable. I hope that it is a sign of things to come on the Street.
November 5, 2004 at 3:09 pm #728591GrahamH
ParticipantGood news indeed.
There was a row of eight large motorbikes parked in the middle of the plaza the other day – whatever about the issue of them being permitted, the cheek demonstrated by their owners if the real bone of contention. Do they think their size and expense justifies their display in the heart of the city for all its citizens to admire?
No bikes at all should be allowed on the median, if they stay it will further display the debasement of the median as a feature of the street as part of this plan.
November 6, 2004 at 6:22 pm #728592Anonymous
InactiveWhen are the Kiosks due to come into being, I was down in one of the restaurants on North Wall Quay for lunch yesterday and it was just great the quantity of glazing gives a great view. I hope that something contemporary goes onto O’Connell St and nothing like the boxes on Capel St bridge either. Does anyone have any inside info on when we might expect to be having real coffee on O’Connell St?
November 8, 2004 at 12:14 am #728593Devin
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I think Supermacs is really the truly offensive one of the four, occupying a prime corner site, with its cheap nasty horrible, horrible white framed doors & windows, dated slanted profiles, posters pasted all over the windows, cheapo internal fixtures for the world to see though its picture windows……the pink paint on the panels of the upper floors looks cheap and jarrs with the red brick further up.
Lovely windows upstairs thoughThe vile ground floor of Supermac’s is certainly in stark contrast to the pretty upper floors. Interestingly, this building was the only one in the block between the Quays and Abbey Street that needed to be rebuilt after 1916 – as opposed to not needing to be rebuilt, i.e. the two nice originals (on the right in the picture) that were demolished in the ’70s to make way for the predecessor to Schuh 😡
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November 8, 2004 at 12:21 am #728594Devin
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November 8, 2004 at 10:42 am #728595Anonymous
InactiveThe thing that really strikes me about that photo is the amount of signage on the buildings. I am particularly suprised by the one on the old ICS building between Westmoreland Street and D’Olier Street.
November 8, 2004 at 11:41 am #728596GrahamH
ParticipantDublin, esp O’Cll St was littered with these signs from the 40s on – there was an exhibition a couple of years back in the Ntl Photographic Archive based on these very features. Probably the last to go was the Texaco sign with electronic clock (which subsequently turned into a billboard) on Manfield Chambers/Clarks on O’ Cll St, which was there as recently as the late 80s, if not into the 90s. That ICS sign is totally insensitive though, regardless of what one may think of the novelty value of these signs.
It’s interesting to see what is now the Foot Locker building, next to the now-demolished Georgians in the pic. You can appreciate it as a WSC building much better here. And just look at those great chimneys on the Ballast Office…
Have to laugh at the piles of bikes clustered around Smith O’Brien 🙂 Just on him, he was the statue that stood to the south of O’Cll Bridge, facing to the north-west as was suggested by someone earlier. He was moved like everything else, because he was a traffic hazard.Well the City Christmas Tree was delivered over the weekend, just in time for the festive season that is early November.
A particularly fine specimen this year, nice shape with dense foliage, it stands proud as being the first tree to be sited in the newly completed plaza. It’s surprising how much smaller it makes the plaza look, and looks kind of frumpy compared with the clipped limes and chiseled paving, but who cares. Looks great in front of the Spire. It’s just waiting now to be strangled with the vertical strings of lights every CC tree dreads.
I think it would be nice if the planes at the upper end were lit for the last time this Christmas, its a shame they haven’t been for a few years now on account of all the works.November 8, 2004 at 4:49 pm #728597Devin
ParticipantThe ‘Happy Ring House’ sign is a relic from that era too. The funny thing is, if somebody put up a modern sign of equivalent impact today, there would be shock and horror, but the Happy Ring House is considered part of the character of O’Connell Street.
@Graham Hickey wrote:
It’s interesting you mention the brick colouring of D’Olier St & Westmoreland, I’ve always wondered which street won the battle to have ‘their colour’ displayed on the prestigious corner building facing onto the bridge at the apex of the two streets – was it Westmoreland’s red or the stock bricks of D’Olier?
It’s so frustrating as I’ve only ever seen black & white engravings of it 🙂I meant that there are two different brick colours on D’Olier Street itself : while the Irish Times buildings on the west side of the street are in the yellow-brown stock brick, a couple of the much-altered survivors on the east side (Cara Travel & Funny Biz) seem to be in red brick, which is surprising.
Here’s a photo of the original building at the apex (with Smith O’Brien in his original position in the foreground) – though I don’t think there are any clues as to the colour of the brickwork, texture wise. The fussy Victorians, not being able to handle the relentless order of the Wide Streets Commissioners’ plain, unified street-elevations, had already dickied up the building with cornices & balustrades etc. But that wasn’t enough, so they demolished it in 1894 & built the (unquestionably lovely) baronial gothic ICS building.
Probably the worst of O’Connell Bridge House’s numerous sins is that it destroys the primacy of the ICS building, which was so obviously built to be a central dominating landmark in the D’Olier/Westmoreland composition.
If a replacement building was going to be as good and as appropriate as the ICS building in that site, that’s one thing, but the way that the still-fairly-intact original WSC’s D’Olier/Westmoreland scheme was allowed to be whittled away – usually for crap new buildings – between 1960 and 1985 was disgraceful! It should have been recognised for the hugely significant piece of European city design that it was.
There was the Carlisle building and its replacement (say no more), then 4 more originals for D’Olier House in the late ’60s, then the pointless demolition of the Ballast Office in ’79 for a sterile fake, then the mirror glass building to each side of the Paradiso restaurant facade, which took 2 originals and a good quality 1920s replacement on the Fleet St corner, then 7 more originals behind the ICS building in the early ’80s; 3 on the Westmoreland side & 4 on the D’Olier side for a depressing pastiche.
November 13, 2004 at 8:11 pm #728598Anonymous
InactiveThere appears to be some work going on in Findlater house where the old eircom store (3G) was does anyone know what the plans are?
A good quality occupier could really tilt things in the right direction.
November 14, 2004 at 10:08 pm #728599urbanisto
ParticipantSupervalu are putting a new food store similar to that on Aston Quay. Exactly what the area needs.
November 17, 2004 at 8:16 pm #728600Anonymous
Inactive@StephenC wrote:
Supervalu are putting a new food store similar to that on Aston Quay. Exactly what the area needs.
Supervlue is Aston Quay is great between the supermarket and the cafe sol and boots it really has transformed that stretch and the treatment of the building was so sympathetic, it really proves just how adaptable some buildings can be.
I imagine that Findlater House will be an easier prospect and between this and the Gresham things are really looking up for this end of the Street.
Which is in many ways something I never thought I would see considering the type of development this area was attracting only a decade ago.
November 18, 2004 at 12:56 pm #728601GregF
ParticipantI see that the DCC have finally reinstated the missing paving slabs on Henry Street……and the street looks the better of it. Would be good too if they reinstated the shiney silver bins too, keeping the contemporary look to the street!
November 18, 2004 at 7:22 pm #728602TLM
ParticipantI have’nt been in Dublin since September and am curious about developments on O’Cll St since then…or have things been moving at the same pace as before I left!?
I think the abandonment of a “La Ramblas style” continuous stream of trees down the street, preferably along the median, would be unfortunate. Is this plan dead and buried?
Finally, has anyone heard about the aqcuisition of the Royal Dublin Hotel by the Hyatt group and its proposed revamping as a four star? Hopefully that will mean the abandonment of the previous bland, block like facade that had been suggested as its facelift.
I’d be grateful if anyone could enlighten me!
Thanks….. tNovember 18, 2004 at 9:01 pm #728603GrahamH
ParticipantIf you read back a bit, there’s lots of pics & stuff. As for the trees, apparently there’s quite a bit on them too…:)
The Royal Dublin works were due to get underway last April, perhaps this aquisition is why they are being held up.
Again there are pics of the proposal somewhere on the site or this thread if you reel back.On the double-to-single pavement issue at O’Cll Bridge, it is being deal with in a clever way with a semi-permanent curve round its corner, which forces pedestrians to stand in the place of the existing crossing, linking over to the single-width bridge.
November 18, 2004 at 9:22 pm #728604Paul Clerkin
KeymasterI thought I read somewhere that the Royal Dublin makeover was being dropped….
November 19, 2004 at 12:32 am #728605Jack White
ParticipantIt never began in the architectural sense, an understanding arose that not a cent had been put in in over 20 years so the grand plan was to maximise 41 and sell 42. CBRE should have a result on that quite soon 5m guide 4.75m bid, Who knows
November 19, 2004 at 10:24 am #728606GregF
ParticipantWork is getting under way on the paving on O’Connell Street near O’Connell Bridge…….looks as if it will be continuous and in line with the rest of the previously paved area/foothpath. Who was saying that the paving here would be tapered or something?
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