O’ Connell Street, Dublin
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- September 2, 2004 at 5:15 pm #728527
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InactiveThanks for that Kefu. I just had a quick look. In the photos section there is a random one entitled ‘gateway’ of the two massive flagpoles outside U.L. I love those flagpoles, but I cannot think what they are doing on that site! Any ideas?
Thanks for the link.
September 2, 2004 at 6:08 pm #728528kefu
ParticipantThis one is scandalous: Anybody know who owns this car park, is it belonging to state.
September 2, 2004 at 9:18 pm #728529GrahamH
ParticipantThe hoardings look like they’re holding half of it up! It’s surprising how many sections are left alright – good to see action happening with them.
Just on Larkin again – thought of the traffic island explanation too, but all the Victorians were at the time were islands as well, if not even more isolated, but they got them centred!
On the Upper O’ Cll St proposal, the sweep of trees on the north-western side is going to look fanastic, but the eastern side is reduced to nothing with the parking bay of the Gresham and the bus stop further south breaking the tree line by a substantial 6 units. Don’t know what could be done to resolve this but the effect is going to be hugely reduced.
And the taxi rank appears to be staying, with another treeless space on the median. I really don’t think this cluster planting of the trees on the median works at all, it is inappropriate – directly opposing if not completely dissolving the linear nature of the median, its most appealing feature, and a feature that defines the very nature of O’ Connell Street. Everyone in Ireland knows the O’ Cll St median, every child in the country knows about and is impressed by the people of the past represented here and the general important nature of it, not least its scale, stretching as far as the eye can see. I think this grand impressive scale should have been reinforced with tree planting. Now it appears the regular marching boulevard look is dead and buried. What a crying shame. For me, this was always the most exciting aspect of the whole scheme.Perhaps it will turn out better than it looks on paper, and one should reserve judgement till finished, but if the trees either on the median or just on the pavements had regularity, that would be enough, but for the continuity of both to be continually hacked at as they progress up the street I find unacceptable.
It would be really great if the O’ Cll Monument lanterns were reinstated, even if there’s no room now for the railings. They had fairly short shafts but had classic big, almost awkward lamps atop, lightly lop-sided of course.
I always thought the ‘waxy’ appearance of the lower stone step was as a result of people sitting on it for the past 20 years rather than cleaning, the same with Fr Matthew – not that you’d sit on it now, not even going to mention what gets stuck to your pants or hands from it…
The monument restoration phase looks very comprehensive and is welcome. At least whenever the CC gets round to do these things, or its contractors, they’re usually excellent jobs.September 2, 2004 at 10:47 pm #728530Anonymous
InactiveRe: The Gresham, it could be a case of moving the bus parking onto Cathal Brugha St, as the Hotel has a decent sized side entrance that with Joinery changes could be damn impressive whilst allowing for the un-interupted enhancement of Upper O’Connell St.
On the point of bike parking that you raised a few pages back, I knew there was a lot of bike parking that had disappeared, there was and it was the at the corner of Middle Abbey St outside the Oval Bar, a section of Street that was re-paved.
The clever bar owner has covered the spot where the former bike parking stands were with empty kegs ( 10 Kegs * 10 kegs) to prevent the stands being re-instated after the re-paving. I expect a planning application for tables and chairs on the spot to be lodged quite soon, it has had a very disruptive effect on the central median on O’Connell St.
Many of O’Connell St’s solutions have historically and will always involve the side Streets playing a supporting and subservient role.
September 3, 2004 at 9:53 am #728531Anonymous
InactiveThat is a good point about Cathal Brugha Street Diaspora. I very much agree that the side streets should play a supporting role in the enhancement of O’Connell Street. It makes perfect sense.
September 10, 2004 at 6:42 pm #728532NetEng
ParticipantIt doesn’t look like Dr. Quirkey’s Emporium have P.P. for the gold leaf.
______________________________________________Details for Planning application 4433/04
Application Reference 4433/04
Location Dr. Quirkey’s Emporium, 55-56, Upper O’ Connell Street, Dublin 1
Description I, Mr. Richard Quirke, of Dublin Pool & Jukebox Company Limited, hereby give notice of intention to apply to Dublin City Council for retention permission for shop front facade at Street Level at main entrance to Dr. Quirkeys Emporium No;s. 55-56 Upper O” Connell Street, Dublin 1.
Applicant Mr. Richard Quirke
Applicants address Dublin Pool & Juke Box Company Limited, 55-56, Upper O’ Connell Street, Dublin 1
Agent Mr. Victor Lowe, Brian O’ Connell & Ass.
Agents address 9, Fitzwilliam Place, Dublin 2
Registration Date 03-SEP-04
Submission type NON DOMESTIC APPLICATION
Decision Decision unknown
Decision Date
Final grant Date
Appeal type
Appeal decision
Area Area 3 – Central
Appeal decision DateSeptember 10, 2004 at 7:22 pm #728533Morlan
ParticipantOriginally posted by NetEng
Dr. Quirkey’s Emporium doesn’t have P.P. for the gold leaf.I though they already put up the gold leave stuff? Do they have to remove it now?
September 13, 2004 at 9:18 pm #728534Anonymous
InactiveThey should it is quite frankly tacky, A can of nitro-mors and an angle grinder should do trick!!!!
On a more positive note there was a London based news crew on O’Connell St this evening doing a feature on the Spike in connection with its Stirling Prize nomination, so it is obviously being taken seriously and was not included just to make up the numbers.
September 14, 2004 at 8:48 pm #728535GrahamH
ParticipantDoes the entire shopfront not have pp?
September 15, 2004 at 12:11 pm #728536Anonymous
InactiveOn a more positive note there was a London based news crew on O’Connell St this evening doing a feature on the Spike in connection with its Stirling Prize nomination, so it is obviously being taken seriously and was not included just to make up the numbers.
I don’t see why it would be included to simply make up numbers…OK, there’s certainly a few things with the spire that could have been done better…but overall it does what it set out to do (landmark, rejuvinate O’C St, inspire confidence, replace the void left after nelson, etc, etc)…we’re just perhaps too involved with the whole scheme, and see the problems/mistakes too easily…and perhaps this is simply another case of the Irish beating themselves up.
September 23, 2004 at 1:20 pm #728537GrahamH
ParticipantThe new Savoy sign is really awful, the contrast with the distinguished upper floors is cruel – it sticks out like big lump, tacked onto the front of the building. The large expanse of silver cladding, Connolly Station style, makes the overhang even more clunky than it was, and the use of this modern material certainly does not create the effect it intends – to contrast the old facade with sleek contemporary design. Rather it makes the overall appearance worse; at least the old unit was blatently dilapidated, itching with potential. This yoke is just second-rate, for everyone to appreciate for aother 20 years.
Saying that, the doors etc look well, as do the electronic displays.The new single-width paving J Seerski mentioned before at the Abbey St junction is thankfully just a temporary measure to accommodate the ped crossing. Work is now underway on creating the double-width side pavements on Lower O’Cll St as planned and there’s no doubt they are going to radically alter this stretch, for the better. Railings are lined along what will be the new kerb line and the huge expanse created in this congested area is very impressive and exciting.
One thing I thought about McDonalds here is that while they cannot be forced out of this fast-food belt, indeed not that it would even be preferable, but what could be possible is the opening of a ‘McCafe’ here, like Grafton St, which would help in lessing its negative impact on this stretch, and in fact it could improve it by creating an outside seated area for coffee drinkers.
As to the demand for it here I don’t know – not too many suits around.September 24, 2004 at 11:20 am #728538J. Seerski
ParticipantClerys Door signs/plaques have gone missing – should I presume that they are gone for cleaning/refurbishment? They are wonderful works of art and shop design – Much more integral in the entire store design.
Surely these signs were/are protected?!
September 24, 2004 at 7:50 pm #728539GrahamH
ParticipantThey must be off for a cleaning – they need it. Sitting on a wall for 80 years does no one any favours. They are lovely though, very grand & Edwardian. They are listed as part of the building as a whole.
September 26, 2004 at 4:43 pm #728540Morlan
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What will happen to O’C bridge when the paths on O’C St. lower have been widened? If you look at this photo they appear to have changed the road markings on the bridge again. Will the footpaths on the bridge be widened to match the new width of O’C’s paths? Maybe the centre island will be widened too?
As far as I know, the bridge hasn’t been included in the O’C rejuvenation project.
September 27, 2004 at 11:56 am #728541urbanisto
ParticipantWidened and repaved hopefully. It certainly needs it. I hate the tarmac. Get rid of the horrible stalls as well.
September 27, 2004 at 3:02 pm #728542GrahamH
ParticipantYeah, they’re nasty – people might percieve removing them as an act to sanitise the city centre – who cares, they look awful and get in the way of the major pedestrian flow here.
The worst part of the bridge now is the balustrading, esp the eastern side – it is disgustingly dirty. The little section around the corner opposite O’Cll Bridge House was cleaned recently, perhaps as a test patch – the contrast is stark.
I can’t wait to see the lamposts in the centre sit on some decent modern paving – they’ll look fantastic when it happens.
Considering O’Cll Bridge was really the only major improving Victorian public project in the city centre, and one that was properly finished with commissioned furniture etc, it is worthy of decent restoration and paving treatment.September 27, 2004 at 4:17 pm #728543Anonymous
InactiveOriginally posted by Graham Hickey
Yeah, they’re nasty – people might percieve removing them as an act to sanitise the city centre – who cares, they look awful and get in the way of the major pedestrian flow here.You are entitled to your point of view, but some might say that the sort of seating surrounded by hoarding that you favour for outside of McDonalds looks awful! It certainly gets in the way of pedestrian flow.
September 27, 2004 at 5:33 pm #728544GrahamH
ParticipantBut it’s different on the bridge – people use it to rush to the other side of the river, using it as a corridor, whereas the street is more laid back with strollers etc. Although fair enough, with the bridge paving widened the stalls wouldn’t get in the way as much.
I don’t advocate hoarding round seated areas, in fact none at all is better, although simple chrome poles with that ribbon stuff or wire can look well. The sheets that are wrapped around the place on the Boardwalk are awful.
September 28, 2004 at 5:27 pm #728545Anonymous
InactiveOriginally posted by Graham Hickey
The new Savoy sign is really awful, the contrast with the distinguished upper floors is cruel – it sticks out like big lump, tacked onto the front of the building. The large expanse of silver cladding, Connolly Station style, makes the overhang even more clunky than it was, and the use of this modern material certainly does not create the effect it intends – to contrast the old facade with sleek contemporary design. Rather it makes the overall appearance worse; at least the old unit was blatently dilapidated, itching with potential. This yoke is just second-rate, for everyone to appreciate for aother 20 years.
Saying that, the doors etc look well, as do the electronic displays.
Just saw this today. You are right Graham; it is really really terrible. I did not think much of the doors or the electronic displays. The only thing is that it does not look finished as of yet, so I think I might hold out on my final judgement yet!
Incidently, do you (or anyone else for that matter) have any photos of the way it was before it was changed? I am beginnning to forget, but I just remember quite liking it for some reason.
September 28, 2004 at 5:29 pm #728546GregF
ParticipantI think maybe too if the building facade was given a bit of a cleaning, it might not look as bad.
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