O’ Connell Street, Dublin
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Why is it an either/or situation? Why not all? Let’s get rid of through traffic, commuters, and lazy shoppers.
There is certainly a demand for some retail car parking (but not 1,111 spaces). However, the ‘the spend at present by car-based shoppers tends to be significantly greater than Luas users’ argument is a bit of a red herring. Of course it is greater. If you’re buying a tv, you’ll probably need a car. And a tv can be worth a few grand. Bigger items that require assisted transport generally cost more. And Luas passengers can only carry so much stuff, so that’ll limit their spend. But to formulate an argument based on this is flawed logic. You’ve been paying too much attention to the retail lobby, I suspect!
It would be instructive to find out how much shopping is done by car vs walking vs bike vs public transport, and by ‘how much’, I don’t mean the cost (one car trip might equal the total annual grocery spend for an individual.) DCCBA might be surprised.
@StephenC wrote:
Every bus service in the city is going to go by their front door…a Luas and a Metro/.. and they still depend on those all i mportant car based customers who are the pnly ones spending money these days
This, to me, is the key. They acknowledge (see the quote above) that the site is strategically located, but that’s usually an argument against car parking, not for it. How they can derive the latter conclusion from that scenario defies comprehension.
@ctesiphon wrote:
Re the car parking issue- the development proposes 1,111 car parking spaces
Yikes, 1,111!
Does anyone have the planning file number? I think an objection is in order if it’s not too late.
2479/08
It’s at Additional Information stage, I’m afraid, so if you don’t have an observation/objection in already, then it’s too late to get involved.
I`m somewhat dubious of their logic,if thats what it is.
The current City Centre Shopping Centre Multi Stories tend to be described by Car drivers as locations to PARK the voiture full stop.A motorist parking in one of the 1,111 new spaces might not spend a cent in the new shopping centre at all,but might simply park there whilst dropping into Bus Atha Cliath`s new Head Office (Contained Therein) to redeem their change-tickets 😉
Ask any motorist for a roll call of places to park in An LÃ r and you`ll most likely get a roll call of the major Shopping Centres.
As ctesiphon points out the logic here is at best,Flawed and at worst evidence of yet more dubious dealings in Dublins Planning Poorhouse 😮 😮 😮
Just noticed this up for sale
http://www.architecturalsalvage.ie/proddetail.php?prod=wallO%60Connell
http://www.architecturalsalvage.ie/proddetail.php?prod=gslab
I also see they have a lot of granite flagstones, maybe DCC should buy them (back? ;))
One of the more interesting aspects of this years Crissermas Lights along OCS is how the Central median and GPO Plaza looks so totally bereft of life or purpose.
This has been exascerbated by the incredibly sad looking Crib…It seems as if was just dropped opposite Easons cos the LED Tree is squatting on the Holy Ground.
Walkin along the street from South to North one is struck by the sheer absence of…well….anything along what should be a focal point for the entire City.
Oh and yet again…the Lights atop the Spire are blown….well two of the sections are…the rest will follow.
Has DCC secured any form of rebate from the lighting system designers as it most certainly is not performing to the original PR Blurb……. 😀O’Connell St looks pathetic with those half-arsed Christmas lights looking feeble on the immature trees on either side of the road. Upper O’Connell St is mostly in pitch darkness, and the west side as usual apparently doesn’t count when it comes to decoration.
And the spike is essentially invisible at night time.
How long do you all think the Spire will last on O’Connell street?
On the grounds of taste?
I don’t have any strong feelings either way about the spire, but I just can’t see it staying there forever.
Does anyone have the original renderings of the Spire? It was meant to be floodlit from top to bottom.
@missarchi wrote:
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small but you get the picture
Thanks for those, missarchi. They seem to just show the silly strip of light at the top.
I could have sworn I read that it was to be floodlit – was this not in the original brief? I can´t find it.
We have had this arguement so many times I have lost count….it WAS NOT meant to be floodlit. It is as it was designed.
However, it WAS meant to be self cleaning, low maintenance and permanently lit at the top without the bulbs blowing every five minutes….
@Morlan wrote:
Does anyone have the original renderings of the Spire? It was meant to be floodlit from top to bottom.
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