O’ Connell Street, Dublin
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I have to say this is a yes from me. As long as they get a quantum of parking in and around the zero mark. Attracting more cars here would be counterproductive in the extreme
BTW, the way things are going there will be hardly anything left in Dublin city that remains in an authentic architectural state, unlike other cities throughout the world. The botchers have their way here in Ireland!
This is gettin better but I totally agree about the break into the Henry St terrace and that totally weak corner they create at the junction of Moore St, Henry St and the new proposed street. Just bleeds away here and makes that building into an island – it seems isolated and floating.
Also good point about the opening off O Connell st not occurring at a right angle.
Is there any chance that this will be changed again or is this the final scheme?
Ah FFS (for fuck sake, johnglas)
Solar panels? Why put them there? Why waste that space? And why…
umm, and oh yeah, lets through in a sqaure field of poles for good measure.
my only major problem with this scheme now is its treatment of henry street. if they want facadism on oconnell street its not causing much harm but wiping out yet more of the Henry streets historic character is uneneccesary and harmful to the streetscape of one of our main shopping (tourist?)routes.
Is this an entirely new planning application or revised… do i still have time to object?@gunter wrote:
Does no one else see the stripes?
Stripes on a building!
Is this where architecture is now?
that’s not stripes – it’s camouflage for the urban jungle
Alonso`s Zero Car Parking quantum is sadly nowhere on the radar.
As far as I can see this development,with the blessing of DCC and the other administrative bodies has NO facilities for Public Transport…not so much as a pole to lock a Public Rickshaw to.
Make no bones about it,this is yet another Car Parking led development and with ICP or somesuch already on board to operate it.
It`s one of the central tenets of Irish Planning….total disregard for the greater good.
Take for example,Croke Park.
Ireland vs New Zealand.
Full House expected one might suppose…….
Yet as is usual for these events,Bus Atha Cliath pulls the terminus for two of it`s busiest and direct South Suburbs-Croke Park routes the 46A and 145 from Mountjoy Square back to Parnell Square cos the Buses cannot get access.
This codology must surely rank as Irishism on a grand scale….Major event-Quick….move the buses away from it…..:eek:
The current mystification about WHY Bus patronage is falling is very easily explained…..just use Croke Park events as your pattern and all will become clear. 🙁
ihateawake: did I miss something? I haven’t breathed a word about this monumental piece of *$&6e recently!
@Pilear wrote:
my only major problem with this scheme now is its treatment of henry street. if they want facadism on oconnell street its not causing much harm but wiping out yet more of the Henry streets historic character is uneneccesary and harmful to the streetscape of one of our main shopping (tourist?)routes.
I agree. Henry Street will be gutted. It is totally unneccessary to bluntly break the uniformity of the street.
@johnglas wrote:
ihateawake: did I miss something? I haven’t breathed a word about this monumental piece of *$&6e recently!
I think it was a reference to his use of NetSpeak, which had confused you in a previous thread IIRC (;)).
Alek-
Same thing happened with the concerts in Phoenix Park not so long ago- the No.10 bus stopped almost a mile short of its terminus, apparently.Re the car parking issue- the development proposes 1,111 car parking spaces, the rationale for which includes such gems as (from the A.I. Response, p.28):
The underlying rationale for this quantum of car parking is derived from a number of specific considerations, including the strategic location and uniqueness of the subject development, as well as supporting planning policy. It is therefore submitted that the level of car parking proposed for the site is based on sound transportation needs.
Much of the proposed car parking replaces the quantum lost to facilitate Luas, bus priority, Metro and streetscape improvements.
The key demographic for all retail areas is the car borne consumer who is traditionally the highest spender. Therefore, a large part of the success and viability of the development can be attributed to the car-based consumer.
…the provision of 1,111 No. car parking spaces provides a strategic car park in accordance with the objectives of Variation No. 16 of the Development Plan, the Retail Core Framework Plan, and the Development Brief for the subject site. The level of car parking is justified on the basis that it will ensure the commercial viability of the development; it will facilitate visitor/customer rather than commuter parking; and it offers the possibility of routing traffic away from the main shopping areas given its location on the inner orbital route.’
Quality, eh?
I should propose a competition to spot the hypocrisy and double-speak in there. I see about half a dozen examples- any advance on 6? (I’m ignoring the fallacious logic in paragraph 1- it doesn’t need my help drawing attention to itself.)
@johnny21 wrote:
The french designed christmas tree on o connell street. :cool::D:cool:
Completely agree – the tree looks really great… that and the restored Ulster Bank are real winners (and unexpected) for the street.
@GrahamH wrote:
Re the revised O’ Reilly scheme, completely agree about the Moore Street elevations – Think of the failed Parnell Centre at the west end of Parnell Street… it’s incredibly unfriendly on the exterior which imo does feck all in terms of attracting customers in… McGarry Nà Éanaigh get loads of plaudits elsewhere – boardwalk, Kildare CoCo offices – but really, is this the best they can do here? It’s desperate stuff altogether – “aspirant brutalist” as someone else put it… To get key basic elements so wrong, Moore St facade elevations and Henry St also, really makes me wonder as to whether their style can ever work where “knitting in” to a historic core must be the primary requirement…
I wouldn’t mind moore street so much if the black sections were set back and eh, not black ! I’m much more concerned about the adverse impact to the scale & form of Henry Street which for me is the achilles heel of the entire project. I can’t make up my mind if what they now propose for the O’Connell Street elevations is better or worse than what they originally proposed, or even worthy of such thought.
@Peter Fitz wrote:
I wouldn’t mind moore street so much if the black sections were set back and eh, not black ! I’m much more concerned about the adverse impact to the scale & form of Henry Street which for me is the achilles heel of the entire project. I can’t make up my mind if what they now propose for the O’Connell Street elevations is better or worse than what they originally proposed, or even worthy of such thought.
Yeah it’s fairly desperate stuff on Henry Street also – it strikes me that Henry Steet facades could be kept, and re-interpreted – a lá Mick Wallaces Little Italy, yet this scheme however really sets out to make statement, and it just doesn’t work…
It’ll be a remarkable balls-up if this scheme entangles primarily because of a wall paper ideology!
I like the tangerine. Not so hot on the stripes. And for once the render actually has a realistic Irish sky – albeit a beautiful late summer’s eve :p
@fergalr wrote:
This was the old proposal. Note the absurd sky park that faces away from sunlight. That was an impressively stupid idea.
Lol 😀
Thanks ctesiphon for this Quote:
“The underlying rationale for this quantum of car parking is derived from a number of specific considerations, including the strategic location and uniqueness of the subject development, as well as supporting planning policy. It is therefore submitted that the level of car parking proposed for the site is based on sound transportation needs.”
Uniqueness…..Truly I say unto you…This man is the Son of….???
1,111…..Now I`m sure we can improve on that too.
No nettles being grasped here then,Kyoto or no Kyoto 😮
Every bus service in the city is going to go by their front door…a Luas and a Metro.. and they still depend on those all important car based customers who are the only ones spending money these days
The real issue regarding cars in the city centre is thru-traffic and commuter traffic… I really am not a fan of cars in the city, but as far as I am aware the spend at present by car-based shoppers tends to be significantly greater than Luas users – and this is a hard square to circle…
Moreover 64% of cars parked up in the car parks of D2 and D1 belong to state-sector employees; should focus not be further made on reducing this amount, and also on deterring cross-town commuting traffic, as the real target?
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