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  • #731087
    gunter
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    A bit more imagination would be nice, but I think the concept of densification by the addition of taller buildings within the depth of existing city blocks is no bad thing. I don’t think they would necessarily need to be uniform in height either, just carefully positioned where they could add depth to a flat and possibly not particularly inspired streetscape and complement, rather than interupt, the existing lower uniformity. Obviously they would also have to avoid screwing up any vistas.

    Personally, I would slightly favour the vertical (as in the Arnott’s tower), over the horizontal, as here with the Gresham proposal, but not in all cases. The ‘Dublin Central’ proposed tower, opposite the Rotunda, would seem to be an example of how not to do it. Here the tower is right on the street edge creating a discordant note in the otherwise decent emerging conformity of Parnell Street.

    I take your point that we’ve got to stop believing that glass boxes are the design solution to every planning challenge.

    #731088
    lostexpectation
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    #731089
    JoePublic
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    Hurrah, the spike is getting another clean along with repairing the lights this weekend!

    Hopefully they’ll do a better job with the cleaning than last time, please no brown manky run off this time.

    And come on DCC, do us proud, have the footpath repaired within a week.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0718/breaking71.htm

    #731090
    GrahamH
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    The median has once again been cleared of lampposts to make way for the crane.

    The article suggests the Spire was last cleaned in 2005 – it was of course only cleaned last year, though with the erection of the crane it makes sense to do it now also.

    June 2007

    Also it was erected in January 2003, not April…

    As an aside, the Ulster Bank scaffolding is creeping up.

    #731091
    Alek Smart
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    Was there any mention of any of this in the original IAP for the O Connell St project ?

    Is this yet another example of the type of “Planning” engaged in by Dublin City Council as a rule ?

    Lets get some costings for this festival of replacing “everlasting” light fittings and cleaning “self-cleaning” surfaces as per the original descriptions of an Tùr Solaìs 😮

    #731092
    Morlan
    Participant

    I saw what you did there, Graham

    Still no sign of a fully floodlit Spire yet? That was the original plan, was it not?

    #731093
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    This drip drip cleaning of the spire is really proving quite amusing but it is clearly preventing the surrounding pavement from settling down as a useful functional space for people to meet or people to throw their super sized hair driers.

    Why can’t the spire a choice simply be made between a retro-fit with a sealant that allows a more usual 10 year maintenance programme as opposed to an annual cleaning or a rusty needle being deeemed acceptable?

    #731094
    GregF
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    Perhaps they should leave the crane there as a permenant feature. Those lights and street furniture are in and out of the fucking ground too often.

    The Spire thing was a bit of a failure. Too much maintenance required. Well at least the Corpo are doing that I suppose. They could have neglected it like alot of other things.

    #731095
    gunter
    Participant

    There’s not a lot of laughs in that planner’s report on the Carlton site.

    I’m starting to miss Rose already.

    #731096
    cgcsb
    Participant

    @gunter wrote:

    There’s not a lot of laughs in that planner’s report on the Carlton site.

    I’m starting to miss Rose already.

    You mean it might not go ahead?:mad: for fck sake it’s been vacant most of my life and when a good proposal comes along people poke holes in it

    #731097
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    thats because its not a good proposal, where to start, oh I know, the mamoth hole they propose to ‘poke’ through a fine Henry Street terrace.

    #731098
    JoePublic
    Participant

    Spire is still filthy as ever 😡

    What did they do throw a bucket of water down it and hope for the best?

    Or by any chance are they returning next weekend to finish the job?

    #731099
    cgcsb
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    perhaps an indication that DCC intends to grant permission to Carlton redevelopment

    http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/moore-street-traders-paid-8364600k-to-move-1453878.html

    #731100
    urbanisto
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    Of course DCC intend on granting permission! They want development here. Its the details of whats on offer that are being debated. I would expect some amendments to the plans submitted.

    #731101
    gunter
    Participant

    @cgcsb wrote:

    perhaps an indication that DCC intends to grant permission to Carlton redevelopment

    I don’t think you’d be going too far out on a limb there cgcsb.

    Phrases from the planner’s report like:

    The Planning Authority is fully supportive of the radical and ambitious vision that informs the inclusion of this civic space [the sloping linear garden] at the heart of the overall development.’ perhaps provide a clue.

    ‘The Planning Authority is also of the opinion that the proposed Park and Observation Deck would potentially provide for a meaningful, unique and iconic addition to the overall quantum, quality and diversity of public open space in the city.’

    The Planning Authority acknowledges that . . . the proposal (for a new square off O’Connell St.) is unprecedented in it’s ambition or scale.’

    The Planning Authority is strongly supportive of the urban design rationale for such an opening, which is in part critically informed by the need to shift the gravity of social and economic regeneration north along O’Connell Street.’

    The Planning Authority welcomes the considered and deliberate massing (on Moore St.) and modulated roof height directly abutting and adjoining the National Monument at 16-17 Moore Street.

    It goes on like this for 63 pages.

    On the other side of the equation, DCC would like the new square off O’Connell Street to be a bit more formal and there are a few mild criticisms of the legibility of various internal routes and a tut-tut about some possible visual clutter, so you couldn’t say the assessment isn’t balanced.

    #731102
    darkman
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    I hope they give the whole lot the go ahead. Its about time the Northern End of O’Connell St got a development of high qaulity – which this appears to be. It wold transform O’Connell St and rid that area of its general grittiness and unpleasentness.

    By the way who owns that small Londis shop on this part of O’Connell St? Ive harsh words for that place but I will keep it to myself:mad:

    #731103
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @darkman wrote:

    It wold transform O’Connell St and rid that area of its general grittiness and unpleasentness.

    and rid Henry Street of a fine terrace while severly damaging its character & form, please justify the impact to henry st. darkman.

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    Good webcam to keep an eye on the Ulster bank job (well its scafold anyway) on link below

    http://www.camvista.com/ireland/dublin/citycentre_streaming.php3

    From this vantage, the staggering number of dublin bus vehicles that trundle through the city centre really does hit you !

    #731104
    missarchi
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    From this vantage, the staggering number of dublin bus vehicles that trundle through the city centre really does hit you !

    yeap you will find most of them empty I hope CIE and RPA do a deal once the metro is in…

    #731105
    cgcsb
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    well would you prefere there were no buses? and I know that it’s obvious they intend to give permission I just said it that way to placate the nay sayers on this site

    #731106
    Rory W
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    I think it’s more a case of look how many buses Dublin Bus has funnelled through one street. They should be reminded there is more than one bridge crossing the liffey

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