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  • #730767
    missarchi
    Participant

    Did any one see the irish times today???

    can you see how wrong the alignment of the middle footpath is…

    One day it will be a public square!!!!!
    5 months and you will get my ideas…

    does any one have a decent aerial photo of the bridge???

    #730768
    urbanisto
    Participant

    What was the story?

    #730769
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    This one?

    #730770
    Morlan
    Participant

    It’s not the path, it’s the whole bridge.

    © PMK PHOTO

    #730771
    Starch
    Participant

    I don’t understand what the last four posts are about????:confused:

    #730772
    Ciaran
    Participant

    Nothing to do with alignment but isn’t it amazing, the volume of buses in every picture of O’Connell St.

    #730773
    paul h
    Participant

    i love the contrast of the cold, barren, sterility of the Irish Aid centre with the warm traffic (both pedestrian and motor) filled ‘busy-ness’ of O’Connell St in the above pictures

    #730774
    Alek Smart
    Participant

    I`m with Ciaran on his observation re the volume of Buses on OCS…
    I`m suggesting it`s a direct relationship with the volume of PEOPLE there too….More buses=More Peeps,at least thats what I think the relationship is.

    Twill be similar when Luas gets “aligned” and it`s frequency and tram-length are increased in order to get buses off the street……6 of one……half dozen of the other.?

    Mind you,streets such as Gardiner St,Capel St,Jervis St are still fairly unencumbered in pedestrian terms,but then they don`t have any real Bus presence either…..Funny That !! 😀 😎 😀

    #730775
    johnfp
    Participant

    Anyone know if the median on O Connell Bridge is due for a makeover any time soon?

    #730776
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Not until the Luas route is decided John. Which will be…

    As mentioned above, what is probably the most ambitious development to occur on the street in relation to property improvement since the IAP was launched ten years ago was announced recently. Ulster Bank at Nos. 2-4 Lower O’Connell Street has lodged a planning application to reinstate its principal original shopfront and that of the adjoining No. 2 at street level as first built in the early 1920s. No. 3-4 is one of the grandest – if with a somewhat cumbersome attic storey – neoclassical buildings rebuilt post-1916 at the entrance to the street, with its distinctive copper dome piercing the middle of a terrace a unique feature in the city.

    Here is the building today, competing with the adjacent Bank of Ireland to the left for dominance in the terrace. In spite of the dome, it loses the battle.

    As mentioned, all of this side of the street up to Cathedral Street was completely destroyed in 1916 and took some seven years to rebuild. Ulster Bank was the last building to be finished , throwing open its doors in July 1923. The conservation report that accompanies the recent application gives a little new information, but doesn’t give a more rounded overview of the history of the structure which is a shame. As a commercial report I suppose one can hardly blame them.

    Some of these images were posted before, but it’s worth popping them up again in this context.

    Below shows the terrace in 1898, roughly as the Wide Streets Commission had left it around 1790, though of course with many Victorian alterations. The double-plot modern day Ulster Bank site is outlined.

    Here it is again c. 1901 with the bombastic addition of the Bread Company building.

    And again in April 1916. Oh dear.

    In the aftermath, plans were drawn up by an expert committee including the City Architect CJ McCarthy for a unified terrace along this stretch and elsewhere, but these were never realised.


    © Dublin City Council

    They certainly would have given O’Connell Street a more formal air.

    Nonetheless, the terrace was rebuilt in a coherent fashion, with a unified cornice line and standardised building materials of red brick, granite, Irish limestone and imported Portland stone.

    This fascinating image from 1920 shows the terrace under construction. Evidently the opportunity was taken to regularise municipal services too!

    Very clearly you can see the modern day Irish Nationwide building on the corner approaching second floor level, while the diminutive slivers of the newly built red brick buildings at No. 2 and further up at No. 5 are standing unsupported.

    The modern day Bank of Ireland at No. 6-7 appears to be shrouded in scaffolding. The Ulster Bank plot is still largely vacant, as the bank only acquired it a year earlier in December 1918. The foundations were laid in 1919.

    According to the conservation report, the building was designed by one James A. Hanna, a Belfast-based architect who had worked on other Ulster Bank branches in Dublin, and with sculptural decoration by C. W. Harrison and Sons of Dublin. Here is his original design which was largely executed. Thankfully the dome ditched its squat quality for a lofty elegance along the way, though the windows here are more picturesque, while not so welcome was the toning down of sculptural detail across the facade.


    Conservation Report

    Costs were cut through the omission of balustrading to the sides of the first floor, while the sculpture as executed is much more applied in appearance than the structural, masculine quality of the elements proposed above.

    #730777
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Part of the reason the Ulster Bank was the last to be completed was the fact that the construction site was hit by a labour dispute in late 1920. The Civil War in 1922 also damaged the yet to be finished building.

    As posted on the thread before, this fascinating image from November 1922 shows very clearly the terrace in its newly reconstructed state with the sole exception of the Ulster Bank premises which is still under construction and the canopy of the nearby Grand Central Cinema yet to be erected.

    Both the dome and roof were damaged in the Civil War – the dome is notably still absent over three years after construction began.

    Here it is again with the ground floor shrouded in scaffolding during what is possibly Michael Collins’ funeral.

    The building was finally completed in mid-1923. This is a view shortly afterwards around 1925, the dome still dark in colour.

    And today.

    In the early 1960s, the adjoining red brick premises at No. 2 Lower O’Connell Street was acquired for the expanding bank. It originally featured an elegant, probably limestone, shopfront with piers to each side.

    One of the most elegant compositions on the street is its delightful first floor tripartite window of crisp limestone.

    Around 1976 the original street level frontages of both properties were removed and amalgamated into a single shopfront. It was an appalling development, creating a vast expanse of dead frontage at the entrance to the street, with seedy squinting little windows allowing for a scrap of light into the dingy interior.

    A bizarre concoction, it features both historicist channelled granite and Brutalist concrete box units beneath the delicate Portland balcony floating above.

    #730778
    GrahamH
    Participant

    One would wonder about the mindset that wished to retain the ebullient date stamp yet maul the rest of the facade…

    Interestingly, original granite and basement windows survive intact right down at the skirting of the shopfront. The night safe is possibly a little later in date, though the railings look original.

    And surprise surprise – steel windows 🙂

    The copper dome perched at the opposite end of the building is an elegant feature that aims to give the premises prominence in the wider cityscape. This something it achieves with considerable impact when composed as part of the Big Three heralding the entrance to the city’s main street from as far away as College Green.

    Its curiously flattened scrolls are reminiscent of curled rolls of fizzy strawberry strips.

    The impeccably proportioned portico looks humorously incongruous tacked onto the deadpan solidity of the wider granite facade, though largely because it has since lost the lower street level context.

    In terms of materials, the steel windows of the charming oval windows to the upper ground floor (and seemingly the dome) are the sole indicators of 20th century construction.

    #730779
    GrahamH
    Participant

    So, what have Ulster Bank proposed? Well, very simply the reinstatement of the original shopfront, seen here c. 1957 🙂


    Conservation Report

    Very similar to the former Grand Central Cinema (BoI) further up, it featured a central arched window with stern classical doorcases to either side.

    The bank, commendably, wish to reinstate this precisely, with minor modifications to the entrance levels for access etc. I’d be slightly wary of replicating the glazing to the central window which looks like it may be bronze framing from the 1950s – this should be clarified. A Georgian steel grid may have more elegant impact. Ubiquitous glass doors are also to be installed, but I think the bank should be granted some street impact given the blank frontage in the middle.

    So (very crudely) what is currently this…

    …should be this with the central portion reinserted.

    And like this with a full scheme instated.

    The conservation report gave no reference to what the original shopfront at No. 2 originally looked like, however a teeny glimpse of it is evident to the right of this shot.

    It’s a similar limestone shopfront with expansive glazing that is proposed for here anyway. It should make the world of difference to the entrance to the street.

    Where plate glass has replaced Georgian grids in the windows of the upper facade, they are to be reverted to the original specification (though the variation is strangley attractive as is over the balcony).

    Some windows are to be replaced in their entirety too. I think a strong case can be made for painting the windows a dark shade as they were originally. There’s far too much naff brilliant white on O’Connell Street, especially with the recent crass job on the neighbouring Irish Nationwide. A sultry black or dark grey would look suitably intimidating.

    It is also proposed to use remove all the nasty projecting floods peppered about the facade and replace them with LED lighting strips. They’re to go literally everywhere: along string course, atop window lintels, behind the balcony etc etc. As long as the units are not visible, it’s a welcome development. There’s no mention of facade cleaning. Crisp back-illuminated individually mounted lettering is also proposed for the main signage.

    Top marks Ulster Bank for a thoroughly well-rounded proposal. Relative to a reproduction timber shopfront, this scheme is costing a fortune so it’s an enlightened move on their part. The tradition of banks setting standards on our streets has thankfully not disappeared.

    #730780
    missarchi
    Participant

    great photos notice the trams!!! and the key axis

    what was all this stuff in 1917 civil war did it really do that to the city? looks bombed WW2 style

    the wide footpath commissioners are coming next then the people

    o’connell st bridge reduced to 1 lane!!!!!!! in each direction

    #730781
    Morlan
    Participant

    Excellent work again Graham. Hats off.

    Love the PS job 😉

    #730782
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Yep, hats off to you G & indeed Ulster Bank for righting a fairly brutal wrong 😉

    Surely facade cleaning will have to be part of the process though, given the level of mucking about that reinstating the street level facade will require.

    #730783
    Ciaran
    Participant

    It will be great to finally get rid of that hideous polished granite facade. It’s been an eyesore for as long as I can remember.

    #730784
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Yup it’s a nasty blank stretch along there – it’ll make a world of difference to this part of the street.

    It’ll be interesting to see what type of cladding method will be employed – i.e. either little more than granite tiling with thin side profiles exposed at corners, or proper fully hewn blocks (even if at the corners). Also coarsely grained Leinster granite will surely have to be sourced to get a decent match. I hope it’s intended to retain the original skirting – a feature that could easily slip through the net.

    Incidentally, I’ve only just realised that Ulster Bank were those responsible for this high quality (if contentious ;)) reproduction job in Dundalk. There’s a pattern emerging here…

    Both the central bays and left-hand pavilion are entirely reproduction, i.e. 60% of the building, dating from the late 1990s. In this case they used granite tiles to the ground floor, but the joins are so tight they’re barely noticable unless you’re up against them. Indeed if anything there’s a warmer patina off the reproduction granite!

    Anyway the Dublin branch is an ever so slightly worthy case methinks 🙂

    Cool interior pics of Irish Aid – love the contrast with the concrete and crisp plaster! Pity the funky ceilings are so peppered with services, but you can’t have everything. I like how this entire premises just uses Findlater House like a leech. It does its own thing – hosting itself in a decaying building, insidiously stripping it back to basics. Quite unique in the city.

    #730785
    GregF
    Participant

    I wonder will they add more along the street of the new seat slabs at the base of Father Matthew statue.

    #730786
    GregF
    Participant

    Regarding the Ulster Bank, Dublin’s fine old stone buildings have really suffered from the butchers and botchers that can’t leave well alone.

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