O’ Connell Street, Dublin
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- February 1, 2006 at 11:11 pm #729867
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Participanthalf of upper o connell unoccupied and they act as if they have to sqeeze the last bit of retail space out of the street at the expense of the space and aspects the new layout should provide.
Oh, and most side streets with huge potential (sackville pl, nth princes, middle abbey st) almost devoid of people. If they want to see if these things work place them on a side street (within yards and view of o connell st)that needs a bit of help and please dont use o connell st as an experiment…..or worse turn it into another grattan bbridge set up.:mad: ๐กFebruary 2, 2006 at 12:26 am #729868Paul Clerkin
KeymasterFebruary 2, 2006 at 1:07 am #729869Devin
ParticipantThe caf
February 2, 2006 at 1:33 am #729870GrahamH
ParticipantWas just going to say exactly the same thing – one of the runner-up projects was nothing short of a joke in the practicality department:

Can you imagine sitting in those chairs with buses roaring by 18 inches from your coffee cup!!! ๐ฎ
Far from all of O’Connell St becoming pedestrian-friendly, in my experience it is now one of the most hostile environments for the predestrian in the entire city. And its entirely down to the buses – it is simply a farce that the country’s main street has essentially become a giant bus stop. And because the Lower street has been successfully emptied of cars, the buses now have free reign to roar up and down the street as they please.If the kiosk operators paid me €2.80 for a coffee and sit there I wouldn’t do it – it’s difficult to think of a more horrible place to sit down for twenty minutes.
Again I just do not see the point to these kiosks – they will do nothing to the diversity of retail of the street, all they will do is replicate what is offered by the conventional shop units, and will add even more clutter to the already schizophrenic adornments to the median.They are nice pieces of design no doubting, but are they necessary?
I do like the street plan idea carved into their stone ‘bookends’ all the same:
February 2, 2006 at 10:01 pm #729871Maskhadov
ParticipantI think the kisoks look great and will do wonders for the look of the street.
However I agree with the above poster. Anyone sitting having a coffee there would require military grade hearing protection and also enjoy the same mentality as some of the Israeli settlers in the west bank ๐
We need quiter buses and less cars please.
February 3, 2006 at 5:23 am #729872Morlan
ParticipantRed chairs, green roof. TACKY.
February 7, 2006 at 8:43 pm #729873GrahamH
Participant๐
Though that was a runner-up – the winning designs by London bloc Architects can be seen here:
http://www.reflectingcity.com/index.html?a=5&t=23&p=29
“The suite of furniture will include two cafes, a ticket and information offices, five retail units, two news stands, two self-cleaning WCs, twelve public telephone boxes and nine bus or taxi shelters.”
Things are really whizzing along on the Upper street – upwards of 30 men are now working away up there, so much so it’s difficult to take a picture without being nabbed in one way or another ๐
The new paving outside the Gresham:

The double-width pavements make such a difference to the northern end – there’s a wonderful sense of space and freedom to move about.
The paving outside Castle’s townhouse:

…and the scene further down looking north from Henry Street – quite a bit left to go here anyway, but again the new pedestrian space makes a remarkable difference:

Can’t wait to see it all finished, espcially the line of trees along the pavement edge.
Hope to have lots of before and after pictures which may be interesting.Delighted to see the Public Office of the GPO is getting a facelift, just as I was thinking how grubby it had become since last decorated in a rather pukey yellow, probably in 1984 or 1988. An elegant beige/tan colour is being used this time round with crisp white emulsion detailing – the contrast looks fantastic.

A real Edwardian look to it.

Now if only they’d do away with those naff 80s shopping centre light pendents and install something more befitting of the surroundings. Not that the original scheme in the 20s was any better – fluorescent tubes fixed to the walls were used to light the space! Though in pictures, up on the ceiling roses there seems to have been flush-mounted glass dome light fittings so typical of the era.
Why not go all out and install a glittering chandelier as the focal point and more contemporary fittings on the other roses? Something that would take your breath away every time you entered, like the Dargan Room in the National Gallery ๐February 8, 2006 at 1:24 am #729874Morlan
ParticipantThanks for those Graham. It all looks very refreshing indeed. I’d happily eat me stew off that pavment.
What’s the building there with the fancy door surround in your second pic? The last time I saw it it was in a pitiful state. Won’t the owners be forced to clean it up as part of the rejuvination?
February 8, 2006 at 1:33 am #729875GrahamH
ParticipantThat’s the Royal Dublin townhouse – the last on the street of course.
Yes the lintel is badly damaged, and has been for years, but nothing that can’t be repaired.
We’re lucky that well-proportioned one in particular survived – most of the other townhouse’s doorcases were big sprawling clunky yokes.The IAA pictures of the interior fully explain what Frank McDonald spoke about all those years ago in The D of D – it is devasted inside to an extraordinary degree. To the point that you’d wonder what the point if it all was – it all looks like wanton destruction just for damage’s sake. In which case I suppose it’s self-explanitory :rolleyes:
Luckily the magnificent stairwell has survived, but even today I think the drawing room fronting the street is still mostly bare breeze blocks.
February 8, 2006 at 1:59 am #729876Devin
ParticipantI was in it a few years ago. It’s actually not that bad. The 1st floor rooms are reasonably intact, if in very poor condition. As far as I remember all of the bare breeze block work is in the basement – it was being altered for a nightclub :rolleyes: (back in the ’80s), but it never went ahead.
The stairwell/staircase definitely has the WOW factor. And the ceiling in that 1st floor front room is a knockout. There’s a full photographic survey of the interior as it currently exists in planning application 5336/03, available at DCC panning desk (when is the approved refurbishment going to go ahead, I’d like to know?!).
February 8, 2006 at 2:08 am #729877GrahamH
Participant@Devin wrote:
it was being altered for a nightclub :rolleyes: (back in the ’80s), but it never went ahead.
It must have reached an advanced stage though as the lettering is still on the basement wall outside! Apollo or something – or is that Parnell Square?….
That’s good to hear about the first floor – certainly the impression given in the IAA photos with accompanying captions was of an almost gutted house including the drawing room. Is the outer hall bricked up do you know Devin – it seemed that was too.
But yes, the stairwell and landings are incredible. The wall panelling and semi-balconied landing is truly superb – and the chunky Venitian window as mentioned before ๐
February 8, 2006 at 3:02 am #729878Devin
ParticipantThe outer hall is not actually bricked up, but in poor condition nonetheless. You can just see it here through the arch on the left (picture on left). And a view in the opposite direction (pic on right). The white stuff on the stair handrail is a layer of bird droppings!
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February 8, 2006 at 11:13 am #729879johnfp
ParticipantAt last ! After nearly 3 years browsing this site I can finally see a structure emerging from the IAP and I have to say it looks fantastic. I live in Edinburgh and can safely say that O Connell St is rapidly getting to the stage where it can compare favourably with the Princes St thoroughfare. I always thought the street had beautiful buildings, in particular the GPO, Clerys, the Savoy, Gresham Hotel, Ambassador and the whole street is now starting to realise the potential already there. Hopefully, the momentum will continue and something will be done with the Carlton Site ( anyone know what the latest is on that? ) Findlater Building etc..
One building that continually irritates me is Burgerking at the lower end, in particular that hideous facade ( I`m talking about the semi circular window frame on the first floor) To me, that sticks out like a sore thumb and gives an awful impression. I thought there was a proposal not to renew the licences on these type of premises unless minimum standards were met regarding shopfronts etc?February 8, 2006 at 11:38 am #729880GregF
ParticipantYep, O’Connell Street is looking great. It will look superb when finished. I will forever remember the cheap publicity seeking Green Party plonkers chained to the gnarled old trees holding up the works at the begining. I see the GPO’s portico is still shrouded in scaffolding. May as well leave it up, till after the cranky nordy Billy Boys Orange protest march at the end of the month. Will protect the building somewhat. There may be some trouble and I know they would just love to put the windows of the GPO in or cause some mark of damage to probably the main republican icon of the Irish Republic.
February 8, 2006 at 3:32 pm #729881johnfp
ParticipantI know, cant believe they are letting that go ahead. As an Irishman living in Scotland I`ve come across a few of those thugs and it wouldn`t surprise me in the least if they caused havoc. Anyway, back to O Connell St, have they any plans for the Ambassador.I remember reading somewhere that it was proposed to relocate the stock exchange to there?
Cant wait to get back home. Anyone in a position to ofer me a job? I`m a liability claims negotiator..February 8, 2006 at 4:38 pm #729882johnbo
Participantquick question on O’Connell street, is ther any online pictures of the public submissions for the Spire?
Cheers
February 17, 2006 at 3:13 am #729883GrahamH
ParticipantNot sure johnbo, but there are images in The Construction of Dublin anyway.
Oh dear ๐


They never leave the poor fella alone, but particularly at this time of the year.
For those that don’t recall from last year, seagulls for whatever utterly bizarre reason, decide to defecate en masse in the first few months of the year, and in something of an um, ‘explosive’ fashion :o. Rather aptly in Dublin, they choose the handrail of the new Eden Quay Boardwalk on which to do it, as last year, which is hardly surprising given if I was a seagull Eden Quay would probably my first port of call too.
Sadly they completely destroy the Boardwalk, coating in particular, and I mean coating the handrail in the stuff. The City Council seem aware of the problem as they had a dedicated man-and-his-cart out cleaning it off with an array of cleaners and implements at what is hopefully the end of the ‘season’. Why the gulls only choose Eden Quay and nowhere else is a complete mystery, as is where they did it before the Boardwalk was built.
In that context :o, it is more than appropriate that the CC get one of their cherry pickers out from the Lighting Division and get poor aul O’Connell cleaned up – the scale of the devastation up there ๐ฎ is a one-off, so it would be worthwhile getting rid of it: it really looks appalling. Indeed a picker ought to be sent out a few times a year to clean him and other monuments – I’ve been reliably informed that all of these monuments ought to be cleaned on a regular basis simply for protection from corrosion; the bronze of O’Connell Monument in particular ought to be cleaned and rewaxed every two/three years minimum – not every 120 years :rolleyes:
Simply from an aesthetic point of view it is really not too much to ask that O’Connell in particular be lightly washed down a couple of times a year, perhaps in tandem with cleaning of the Spire (assuming that’s ever going to happen). In spite of the seagulls, it’s very heartening to see how well the monuments have weathered nearly a year on from the conservation project – they all still look great, particularly the bronze of O’Connell. And the reasoning behind the use of limestone in its construction has been apparent ever since it was first cleaned (aside from nationalistic matters no doubt) – the Monument has a spectacular glowing blue quality to it that really shines on overcast days. It also contrasts well with the (later) Portland dressings of surrounding buildings.
If only the gulls could be curtailed – they are aptly described as weapons of mass-defecation on some sites.
Cheeky little feckers.
February 17, 2006 at 1:37 pm #729884urbanisto
ParticipantIs it seasonal shit…I never realised! ๐ I actually say the guy cleaning the Boardwalk yesterday. What a crap job! Boomboom!
February 17, 2006 at 1:43 pm #729885urbanisto
ParticipantIm terrible!
Anyhow, what I wanted to ask was how many of you think that:
a) the street will be completed for St Patricks Day
b) the street will more or less be complete, the paving finished just some final snagging, or
c) neither of the above but most definately all set for the Easter Rising Parade on 19 April (I think it is)After all I remeber way back in 2004 when the first section was being constructed there was a masive burst of activity to get the place ready for the (abandoned) street party to mark the new EU accession states. God May 2004 and here we are still up to our eyes in roadworks in Feb 2006. Still not long now….
On a small note anyone noticed the worrying ‘creep’ of signposts into the street. The Plaza is being slowly populated with them..hopefully only temporarily. However in Dublin with ‘temporary signage’ the signs are usual removed but the lovely pole remains…just in case…never know when it might come in handy.
February 17, 2006 at 2:52 pm #729886ConK
ParticipantI live in the area. It strikes me as amazing that all work is conducted only during working hours. I hope the govt. have learn’t from the experience. . . in that, all works like this should be 24 * 7.
The silence on the street on a Sunday morning is weird. all the jcbs at a standstill.
Sometimes I regret not taking the corpo job offered to me 10 years ago with the crap pay.
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