North Lotts Developments
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Alrady posted on the “East Wall Community Centre” thread.
@spoil_sport wrote:
“NCC is beautiful”
I never thought I see that. After my previous attack on this lump of shite and the abuse I got in return, I really should let it go, but I’m afraid I can’t, the NCC is a crime against all the sensibilities I hold dear, it’s nothing short of a travesty. I’m not a conservationist by any stretch, and I’m not against big buildings, but I saw this from Merrion Square recently and it’s a fucking disgrace, Kevin Roche has done nothing of interest since he won the Pritzker Prize in ’82, it’s like something a 1st year architecture student might present as their first house design, but it’s been blown up to the point where it ceases to be funny, and the fact that it then gets built, is like a bad dream.
If a crude, overblown, glorified, gimic by a has-been is now what passes as architecture then I want out.
But, yes nice photo Johnny21… photomerge CS3?Tastes vary I guess, I do not know how you are not more offended by PWC, there’s a travesty. Maybe you’d feel better about the ncc if it wasnt in such a crap context?
spoil_sport wrote:Ah s_s, you know you’re going to get burned, yet you are strangely drawn to this, like a moth to the flame.
Photos from last Friday evening.On the issue of what may be wrong with this building, to me it’s that glass entrance lobby that is, potentially, going to kill it.
If the design of the NCC had one thing going for it, it was the purity of the idea, two simple shapes (sorry volumns) intersecting each other, nothing else. Very few major buildings are that uncluttered, that free of prevailing trends, coloured panels, angular stuck-on bits, ‘eco’ grills, etc. etc.
I could be wrong, but isn’t sticking a curved glass lobby onto the bottom of the tilted glass drum just going to weaken the whole thing and kill the purity?
Then again maybe we won’t even notice it.
no cranes to be seen i see,they have gotten use to walking around the fair city on there own now
@johnny21 wrote:
New thread for the sites between spencer dock and point village…..cant find suitable thread to post msgs on these sites so it deserves its own thread. Just adding a pic of whats currently under development and sites yet to be developed along the north quays…..!! liam carrolls development progressing well:D:D Render of the anglo irish bank hq development.:cool::cool:
Great pic up top.:)
i agree, in about ten years time you should go back to that point and take another photo.It would be great to match the two and see the changes
Latest picture of the ncc and north lotts
:eek::eek::eek:
God that PWC building is an absolute disgrace… How could the “designers” have thought that a fire escape core was an appropriate facade to the public space in front of the NCC?? Revolting…
Pwc HQ is horrible and sticks out like sore thumb.Ruins the spencer dock and north lotts area……. Cut off all the chimney stacks, might make it look at bit better!!!!!!:eek::eek:
The height between the ncc and citigroup building(and the rest of the buildings along the docks of the ifsc) is stupid……why so low???answer; the ddda’s great plan:rolleyes:.:mad::mad:
DUBLIN’S CITY HIGHRISE PLAN
Dublin City Council will have new principles for locating high-rise buildings in Dublin put before them at a meeting tomorrow. Earlier this month, council planners published a review of densities and heights in the city, detailing 15 locations where high-rise buildings are permitted. The review lays out the criteria for developers seeking to build in each of the 15 locations.The council’s strategic planning committee will vote on a draft variation to the development plan as the first step to including these locations into the Dublin City Development Plan. The principles dictate that buildings of 16 storeys or more will be permitted in only five areas of the city, including the Docklands, Connolly Station area, George’s Quay, the Digital Hub and Heuston Street area.
Buildings of eight to 15 storeys will be permitted in a further 10 locations, including, Phibsborough, Grangegorman, the ‘north fringe’, Clonsaugh Industrial Estate, Ballymun, Pelletstown, the Dublin Industrial Estate near Cabra, Ballyfermot, Parkwest/Cherry Orchard, and the Naas Road near the intersection of the Long Mile Road.
From architecturenow.ie
Shouldn’t that go in the Highrise thread?
Also, could you cite your sources in future, please?
@johnny21 wrote:
Pwc HQ is horrible and sticks out like sore thumb.Ruins the spencer dock and north lotts area……. Cut off all the chimney stacks, might make it look at bit better!!!!!!:eek::eek:
The height between the ncc and citigroup building(and the rest of the buildings along the docks of the ifsc) is stupid……why so low???answer; the ddda’s great plan:rolleyes:.:mad::mad:
Can you elaborate on this please? Do you have more details about why the skyline exists in its current form?
@ctesiphon wrote:
Shouldn’t that go in the Highrise thread?
It relates to this dockland area thats why i put it in this thread.I could put in highrise thread…….if needed.
@phil wrote:
Can you elaborate on this please? Do you have more details about why the skyline exists in its current form?
If you look in the picture above you see the height difference between the buildings on the left of the NCC/PWC HQ. Buildings on the left only 4/5 storeys(why when its in such a prime area should the height be restricted to 4/5 storeys high, 8 or 9 storeys should be more appropriate for that area, should it not??) and the NCC and PWC are 8 storeys plus. The reason why the skyline is like this because of ddda’s plan for ifsc area was wrong in terms of height!!!
Which plan do you refer to? Have you done any research in to the economic or social context in which the IFSC was constructed? Also, I am not sure that they are all 4 to 5 storeys. Clarion Quay apartments are about eight storey’s aren’t they?
@phil wrote:
Which plan do you refer to? Have you done any research in to the economic or social context in which the IFSC was constructed? Also, I am not sure that they are all 4 to 5 storeys. Clarion Quay apartments are about eight storey’s aren’t they?
The plan is the Custom House Docks Development Planning Scheme. All im saying is that the ddda got the heights wrong, the height difference between the custom house docks and north lotts is wrong, as you can see from the photo the two areas dont blend. Yes the Clarion Quay,Mayor Square and other apartment buildings are 8 storeys high but are more or less the same height as the office buildings.
Does this mean that the height difference between the new Spencer Docks buildings and the retained rail freight buildings don’t blend either? I am failing to see why you use words like ‘wrong’ and ‘stupid’ in relation to the heights of these buildings when you don’t seem to have any real background information on the planning context of this area.
I have to say the PWC building is a real shocker, dull and grey, blends into the sky on a cloudy day, depressing really…and blocks views of NCC from east.
Regarding the height of IFSC I & II its obviously too low in urban design terms fronting the reiver given its width and the greater height that will undoubtedly be achieved at Spencer Dock wil unbalance the whole stretch as it suddenly steps up, albeit not by much.
Personally I love the PWC building. Those cut off chimneys give it a wonderful zoomorphic quality – somehow reminds me of a fox. Great sense of movement too – it seems to be moving out towards the river every time I see it. It’s certainly better than the other STW building across the river which is very blocky, static and lacks any sort of character.
If you want bland look at the building to the left of the NCC. Looks like it was designed in the 50s
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