Non-Enforcement and Part B?
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@cmfoley21 wrote:
TGD Part B 2006 should only really be used as a reference. The regulations regarding Fire Safety are the British Standards, namely for fire it would be BS 5588. Although lately BS 5588 has now been superseded (except for Part 1 Residential) by a brand new Standard DD 9999.
i carry out fire certificate applications on a regular basis and find this standard has all the clauses and codes needed to satisfy the Fire Departments
I then ask the question what is the point of having a TGD Part B, if we have rely on a Standard from another country? Surely by now there should be an Irish Standard equivalent to the BS.
what do you think of these nice apartments???
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown are currently considering permission for 2 new houses for which the submitted drawings clearly show the absence of windows for escape or rescue on upper floors (proposals are for three-storey houses):
Planning Application Reference:D09A/0110I think I will bring this to their attention (planners and building control). It will be interesting to see if it is dealt with in a similar manner to the previous case.
@mulp wrote:
Dun Laoghaire Rathdown are currently considering permission for 2 new houses for which the submitted drawings clearly show the absence of windows for escape or rescue on upper floors (proposals are for three-storey houses):
Planning Application Reference:D09A/0110I think I will bring this to their attention (planners and building control). It will be interesting to see if it is dealt with in a similar manner to the previous case.
you may find the planners will say that compliance with building regs is not under the remit of the planning section… and building control will say that they cannot comment on a building not yet under construction….
at last some one says something!
Irish fire regulations, which prohibit means of fire escape from a bedroom past a kitchen or living room, also took their toll. “The regulations exert a terribly negative control over homecoming,†says Tuomey. “It’s all backwards. You arrive in a dark corridor. Contrast that with the apartments we all know from Frasier or Friends, where they walk in, throw their keys on the table and announce they’re home. There’s got to be a better solution.â€
Final Clarification:
Lodge a Planning Application in Carlow for a new dwelling and you will get a Further Info Request or Grant with Conditions requiring all bedrooms have windows for escape or rescue as set out in Part B 1.5.6. That includes ground floor bedrooms.
Lodge a Planning Application in Naas for extension and renovation of a ‘Protected Structure’ and you will get a grant with Conditions requiring all bedrooms have windows for escape or rescue as set out in Part B 1.5.6. That includes ground floor bedrooms and existing bedrooms with their existing window openings.
Ask any Fire Consultant you know if bedrooms on upper floors in new build dwelling works require windows for escape or rescue and the answer will always be yes.
Build a new three-storey house in Dun Laoghaire without any windows for escape or rescue and the Enforcement Officer will be satisfied that the only stair provided will be sufficient, and that no alternative means of escape or rescue will be required.
Thats that cleared up then.
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