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  • #764665
    hutton
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    @ihateawake wrote:

    Is this still progressing with the current state of things?

    Apparently so – from today’s Sunday Business Post:

    Northern Quarter close to signing up retailers for prime central Dublin site

    Sunday, October 12, 2008 By Gavin Daly

    The owners of the planned €750 million Northern Quarter in central Dublin are close to sealing deals with retailers for the scheme, according to the project’s manager, John Laker.

    He said that work on the development, which includes a major expansion of the Arnotts department store, would start next summer, despite the economic downturn.

    Laker was chairman of Centros, a British firm that was working with Arnotts on the Northern Quarter, but has just left the company, taking the Dublin project with him. He will now manage the development through his firm, LDM, which employs four people at an office in Dublin and expects to increase staff as the project develops.

    A further three to four people in Arnotts are also working on the development, according to Laker. He said that the team was focusing on detailed designs for the Northern Quarter, including some ‘‘non-controversial changes to help it on its way’’.

    As well as revamped Arnotts and Penneys stores, the Northern Quarter is to include a four-star hotel, 47 shops, 14 cafes and bars, 121 apartments and 350 parking spaces. In total, it will have almost one million square feet of commercial space, bordered by Henry Street and O’Connell Street.

    ‘‘We are getting secondary anchorage retailers at the moment and will soon make some announcements,” said Laker.

    ‘‘It is actually easier to let to tenants for schemes that are three to four years away. This [recession] is a cycle and we will come out of it. Retailers still need to take good attractive space to maintain their market share.”

    Laker said he was a ‘‘total believer’’ in the Northern Quarter scheme, which has been put together over several years by Arnotts chief executive Richard Nesbitt and is backed by Boundary Capital and Anglo Irish Bank. ‘‘As a retail-led development, it’s probably the best opportunity I’ve come across in my 30-odd years in this business,” said Laker.

    ‘‘It involves creating a new street running parallel with one of the two prime streets in a major European capital. It will be the new flagship retail area. It has very strong shareholders in Richard Nesbitt and Niall McFadden [of Boundary], and it has got a great trading entity in Arnotts. If this doesn’t go ahead, nothing will,” he said.

    Following objections to the original planning by groups including An Taisce, the Railway Procurement Agency and An Post , An Bord Pleanála granted planning permission for the scheme in July with 26 conditions. It reduced the size of the scheme and did not approve plans for a 16-storey tower, meaning its tallest elements will be seven storeys high.

    ‘‘I am very disappointed they gave us a crew cut on it, but we are pleased overall – getting approval was an achievement in itself,” said Laker, who described his first experience of the Irish planning system as ‘‘quite an unusual process’’.

    ‘‘There is a lot of genuine support for this scheme and for Arnotts as a brand name,” he said. Laker said that reports that Centros had a 20 per cent stake in the Northern Quarter development were not accurate.

    ‘‘It was talked about, but it never happened – there were discussions, but once they got Anglo and McFadden, it was not needed.”

    He said that preliminary work on the Northern Quarter would start in the middle of next year. The scheme is expected to take at least four years to complete. ‘‘I am very happy to be taking this on,” said Laker. ‘‘I wouldn’t be moving if I wasn’t.”

    Laker worked at Centros for 12 years, first as development director and later as managing director and then chairman.

    He said the decision to leave Centros was ‘‘a very amicable parting of ways’’ and said that his former employer was in a healthy financial state.

    Earlier this year, Centros shelved plans for a town centre scheme in Dumfries in Scotland.

    http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=IRELAND-qqqm=news-qqqid=36653-qqqx=1.asp

    #764666
    GrahamH
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    This is good news and no real surprise. One would have imagined they had the finance secured long before the current mess, while this is also the best possible time to be building with construction costs at record lows for the past decade. Added to that is reduced consumer spending generally in the medium term, making it the ideal opportunity to literally demolish your on-street presence!

    #764667
    cgcsb
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    This is great news especially for the Building industry. The bravery of going ahead with this development will no doubt encourage the Carlton Site to go ahead.

    #764668
    ihateawake
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    Excellent, cheers for that. Does make alot of sense when you put it like that graham.

    #764669
    Devin
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    M&S Mary Street have lodged plans to replace their loading bay area on Abbey Street Lower with a 10 storey building. And it doesn’t even incorporate the 2-storey shed at the corner of Liffey Street, which is crying out for redevelopment! – <a href="http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=2121/09&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%20Ref. 2121/09

    Also a separate application for the same site to reclad the department store building – <a href="http://www.dublincity.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=2120/09&backURL=Search%20Criteria%20>%202120/09

    #764670
    reddy
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    Jaysus thats dire. Just the kind of thing that’ll get planning on economic grounds and we’ll regret so badly down the line.

    Actually looking at it now it looks like a blatant shot at seeing how many floors the council will lop off.

    #764671
    jdivision
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    In its documentation it claims that it’ll provide a bookend to the tall building that will form part of northern quarter on the other side of the road.

    #764672
    hutton
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    Ditch that. Should be half the height with the corner resolved and external treatment that supports rather than conflicts with existing urban character… Knock some heads together and get M&S to cop on!

    Utter junk. One would have hoped that it would be the better architects that might be able to swim to the top in these difficult times… But possibly not!

    Ive just realised – it’s actually an airport hanger in the wrong location :rolleyes:

    #764673
    hutton
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    @jdivision wrote:

    In its documentation it claims that it’ll provide a bookend to the tall building that will form part of northern quarter on the other side of the road.

    Ah “bookend” – up there with “landmark” and “destination” in terms of required words when embarking on a course of justifying the indefensible.

    There must be a market out there for putting together a “Developer’s Dictionary of Mandatory Language”.

    #764674
    Rory W
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    Just looks like they are using the height of the Jervis car park as reference for the ten storey treatment, so I don’t blame them for trying. I’m glad to see this hole in Abbey Street being plugged (although the sheds on Liffey Street definitely need redevelopment now) – what height is the proposed bus interchange opposite this site?

    (Convenient that film house went on fire there isn’t it)

    #764675
    urbanisto
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    Accident

    #764676
    Rory W
    Participant

    But of course

    #764677
    JoePublic
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    Project scrapped. Or as they like to phrase it “implemented in stages starting 2013”. After the planning expires like.

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2009/0508/1224246116339.html

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