New Liffey pedestrian bridge
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I genuinly don’t really know why I don’t like it. I just dont really like Tall Ships very much in comparison to other boats. I am also not a big fan of this recreation of historical events, although I can see the purepose behind them. I wonder is it the DDDA’s way of getting a cheap famine museum? How much did it cost to build originally? I heard that it was somewhere around €11 Million.
Sorry to edit, but I just saw that it originally cost 15.5 Million to build!
Hmmm – I’d tend to agree to an extent. Never been fascinated by the scheme either – probably due to being dragged round tallships from Scarborough to Bournemouth bored to tears when younger!
What connection does the ship have with Dublin Port or Docklands?
Did the ship ever even see the Irish Sea?!It seems to be a bit of a quick-fix happy ending for the troubled scheme, though this of course does depend on what the DDDA tend to do with the vessel.
It’d be more than strange to have the ship permanently moored on the Liffey if that is the intention – the very history of which centres around its life as a trans-Atlantic ship, bringing people to a new life often in ghastly conditons.
Totally inapproriate in fact.
Talk about the Spatial Strategy going out the window…Absolutely agreed on the principles behind both of your opinions, but unfortunately Fenit lacks the finincial capacity to support a vessel of this nature for the 6-8 months of the year that it won’t be touring on Failte Eireann campaigns. I would guess that Dublin Docklands got this on the basis that it would be more likely to attract corporate support here than anywhere else. I am little surprised that Cork didn’t make a play for it given the relatively higher weighting towards the Port in the Cork economy than in Dublin.
Yes, it is surprising considering their clout, and the fact that the ship sailed from the south-east.
Hopefully the DDDA intend on it visiting here for a substantial part of each year
It belongs to the west coast.Or you could say it belongs to the North-American Irish Diaspora of 40m in the states and 3m in Canada who wish to see some tangiable reminder of how their ancestors came to a different continent. I followed media reports of its landings in the States and Canada and it was then that I came to the opinion that it may have been a typical semi-state administative financial disaster but the end product was of quality and an instant hit in key tourist markets. Historically it belongs to the West coast and I think a good strategy would to have it move around the key ports from Kinsale to Derry particularly places like Fenit, Foynes, Galway, Westport and Sligo.
From a visual point of view does anyone have an opinion on how it will work with the statues and IFSC House?
@Thomond Park wrote:
From a visual point of view does anyone have an opinion on how it will work with the statues and IFSC House?
Water-Disney! 🙂
But the ship would look good if it was possible to berth it outside the Custom House. A good set piece for the tourism trade and besides, its been a long time since such a masted sea going vessel graced the dock of the old house. Perhaps the DDDA could utilize the ship by daily offering the general public et al sea trips around Dublin bay and the coasts of Ireland. The ship is a great purchase and great addition for the city.
@Thomond Park wrote:
…..From a visual point of view does anyone have an opinion on how it will work with the statues and IFSC House?
Generally it is moored further east than the famine statues but looks great anyway. Down by Clarion. You really get a feel for just how tidal the liffey is if you pass this way throughout the day. It goes from only the rigging being visable right up to it appearing like the ship’s trying to climb out over the quay!
At night (with rigging lights on) it provides a wonderful focal point which is so badly needed for this section of the quays. But during daytime too – it’s great to see it bringing familys with kids into the area too, and makes you think what a missed oportunity the science museum in stack-A was.
I too saw a lot of the coverage of it’s reception in north america and was very impressed with the excitement around it’s arrivals. The queues were massive and the amount of tourist interest it generated must have been significant. The quality of the product is great (esp the structural woodwork).
I’d love the chance to sail in her (short of the 5k to crew it to US) so I think the dublin bay trip may be a good little earner, but hope it wouldn’t impact on it’s primary ambassador role.
Here’s a link showing when the Jeannie was here in Dublin last time ………….
@GregF wrote:
Perhaps the DDDA could utilize the ship by daily offering the general public et al sea trips around Dublin bay and the coasts of Ireland. The ship is a great purchase and great addition for the city.
I suppose this would all depend on how often the East Link lifts per day? Otherewise the ship would have to be docked to the east of it. I will stand corrected once the DDDA state what they are going to use it for, but I am willing to speculate that they will dock it in a permanent location as a docklands and (or) famine museum, with possible once yearly trips for the Tall Ships race.
It would certainly be helpful for the DDDA to state their intentions regarding the vessel. I am happy to give them the benefit of the doubt in the interim but if it were to be permanently moored at one point I would be of a similar opinion to yourself, this ship was intended as a piece of living (and travelling) history and not as a museum piece. If it has the specification for Trans -Atlantic travel then it should at least for part of the year be engaged in promoting this Island in one of the key tourist markets.
@JPD wrote:
It should have been sold to the highest bidder
Can’t agree with that
would you apply that logic to all state funded projects or is there something specific to this one?Well Lots this one in particular as it was supposed to cost 5 million and overran to 15 million plus, at least flogging it they might have got 30 or 40% of the money back. They made a total kebab of this one.
@Thomond Park wrote:
It would certainly be helpful for the DDDA to state their intentions regarding the vessel. I am happy to give them the benefit of the doubt in the interim but if it were to be permanently moored at one point I would be of a similar opinion to yourself, this ship was intended as a piece of living (and travelling) history and not as a museum piece. If it has the specification for Trans -Atlantic travel then it should at least for part of the year be engaged in promoting this Island in one of the key tourist markets.
Perhaps they’ll put it in the dock inside the IFSC – part of the whole Stack A Thaang. There’s a similar thing in london near the Design Centre
I think it would be a disgrace if after all the effort and cost over-runs the boat was simply moored in Dublin’s Docklands to allievate the killing boredom of the landscape creaded by the DDDA.
It’s a relative new ship with an ocean-going ability – sure its home port can be Dublin – but it should be away from the country 8/9 months of the year working for a living.
DDDA announce new permanent National Famine Monument whilst promising opportunities for sail training (believe it or believe it not).
Dublin Docklands to acquire Jeanie Johnston
18th May 2005
DUBLIN DOCKLANDS AUTHORITY TO ACQUIRE JEANIE JOHNSTONThe Docklands Authority confirms that it is moving towards a contract to purchase the famine replica ship, the Jeanie Johnston from its previous owners – Kerry Group plc; Shannon Development and Kerry County Council/Tralee Town Council.
The Docklands Authority plans to locate the Jeanie Johnston upstream of the new pedestrian bridge on Custom House Quay creating a new visitor attraction on the River Liffey. The ship will be right beside the striking Rowan Gillespie famine sculpture and together, they will operate as a national monument to the famine. The Docklands Authority is also interested in partnering with organisations to take advantage of sail training and other opportunities.
Peter Coyne, Chief Executive, Dublin Docklands Authority said “We are delighted to be able to provide a permanent Irish home for the Jeanie Johnston on Dublin’s River Liffey. It will be a major visitor attraction for the Docklands area, and fits ideally with our river regeneration focus.
“Few attractions exist in Dublin telling the horrific story of the Irish famine of the 1800s. The Jeanie Johnston and the Rowan Gillespie famine statutes can be viewed together as a national monument commemorating this important part of Irish history. It is planned to develop them as a major new Dublin tourist attraction at the gateway to Dublin’s Docklandsâ€
The Jeanie Johnston will participate in this year’s Docklands Maritime Festival from 17th-19th June and is also committed to taking part in the Tall Ships Festival in Waterford in July.
Background: The Jeanie Johnston was built at a cost of €14 million as a Millennium Project to celebrate the historic links between Ireland and North America. The recreation of the Jeanie Johnston was one of the most ambitious maritime heritage projects ever undertaken in Ireland. The ship is an exact replica of the Irish famine ship with some minor adjustments to meet current maritime standards.
The Jeanie Johnston currently operates as a museum when in port and is certified by the Marine Surveyor’s Office (MSO) as a Class A Sail Training Vessel and has a Class VI Passenger License for day sailings.
Up to 29 sail trainees can be accommodated on board the Jeanie Johnston along with a core crew of 11.
DDDA Press Release@Paul Clerkin wrote:
I think it would be a disgrace if after all the effort and cost over-runs the boat was simply moored in Dublin’s Docklands to allievate the killing boredom of the landscape creaded by the DDDA.
It’s a relative new ship with an ocean-going ability – sure its home port can be Dublin – but it should be away from the country 8/9 months of the year working for a living.
Unfortunately, as speculated upon earlier, it would appear that this will be its main occupation.
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