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    • #709831
      notjim
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      http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0212/1202509701081.html

      New public transport bridge over Liffey agreed

      Olivia Kelly

      Dublin City Council plans to build a new Luas and public transport bridge across the river Liffey from Marlborough Street to Hawkins Street, even though the Railway Procurement Agency (RPA) has yet to determine the route of the proposed Luas line.

      The current city development plan allows for the construction of a footbridge at the site. South-east area councillors yesterday approved a council management proposal to seek a change to the development plan to allow the construction of the new bridge from Eden Quay to Burgh Quay.

      The council is proposing to build a bridge to accommodate a southbound Luas line as well as two bus lanes, two cycle lanes and two footpaths, and hopes soon to seek tenders for its design. The council said it was seeking a “low-key design” to fit in with the surrounding architecture.

      However, while the council is pressing ahead with its plans for the bridge, the RPA has yet to say whether this will be the route for the new Luas BX line, which will connect the Red and Green Luas lines across the city centre.

      The RPA last year did identify its preferred option as a line from St Stephen’s Green to College Green, down Westmoreland Street and across O’Connell Bridge, down O’Connell Street and back up Marlborough Street to cross a new bridge; however, it has not confirmed this as the route.

      The council said even if the bridge was not chosen for the Luas route, it would build it anyway.

      The bridge would ultimately be for public transport; however, councillors were told yesterday that the bridge would serve to ease the inevitable gridlock in the centre when metro and Luas works begin across O’Connell Bridge. During this construction, Westmoreland Street is likely to be closed and the new bridge would temporarily be permitted to carry cross-town traffic.

      The proposal will now go before the full council for ratification.
      ร‚ยฉ 2008 The Irish Times

    • #797366
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Sneaky moves again….

      So Dublin City Council is building a bridge for the RPA and Dublin Bus what a nice present…
      And there is a big chunck of land nearby as well…
      Build a bridge for me and I’ll get over it…

      If the bridge was just for pedestrians I might understand by not really… 2 x bus

      What is Duff going to do?

      The council and RPA Dublin Bus should face up to the fact that O’Connell st bridge may be the best option
      (with no buses) even if it will end in tears…

      Low key design… whatever that means if they made it look like it had been there for 200 years but it has not been

    • #797367
      admin
      Keymaster

      What are the odds notjim, same article posted by myself & yourself at exactly 12.00am ๐Ÿ˜€

      As I threw in my opinion on this on the luas central thread, i may as well here too ๐Ÿ˜‰

      “The council is proposing to build a bridge to accommodate a southbound Luas line as well as two bus lanes, two cycle lanes and two footpaths, and hopes soon to seek tenders for its design. The council said it was seeking a “low-key design” to fit in with the surrounding architecture.”

      You’d want to make it feckin invisible lads. What kind of width are they talking here ? I’d just about accept a slender little job to facilitate luas (in a trade off to confine the damn thing to marlborough st. – even that presents serious design challenges) but this yoke sounds like its set to challenge O’Connell Bridge itself, essentially 4-5 lanes wide.

      The lovely rhythm & flow of the liffey’s bridges, fairly evenly spaced it has to be said (until now) is to be well & truly botched up.

    • #797368
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Yes: funny, I have this sad image of the the two of us sitting by our computers waiting for the Times to be posted so we could race to put any relevant information on archiseek, we are probably the longest established posters with less than 1000 posts, so obviously we are both whoring for posting opportunities. I was in two minds as to whether this should go on the Luas thread where you put it, or on its own.

      It seems crazy to me to build the bridge and not put both Luas tracks around the back of College and up Marlboro street: it seems something has to be lost, we loose the rhythm of the bridges you refer to, we have wires on college green, we dig up O’Connell street and fill it with wires, we duplicate the metro route and don’t gain a connection to Pearse. The crazy thing is we seem to have a plan now that includes all these negatives.

    • #797369
      admin
      Keymaster

      ah sure we’re all about the quality not the quantity notjim hey ๐Ÿ˜€

      It does warrant a new thread alright & you’ve rolled the very long list of negatives nicely in to one.

      @notjim wrote:

      It seems crazy to me to build the bridge and not put both Luas tracks around the back of College and up Marlboro street: it seems something has to be lost, we loose the rhythm of the bridges you refer to, we have wires on college green, we dig up O’Connell street and fill it with wires, we duplicate the metro route and don’t gain a connection to Pearse. The crazy thing is we seem to have a plan now that includes all these negatives.

      Hard to fathom the reasoning behind this one, DCC & RPA need their collective heads knocked, no make that smashed, together.

    • #797370
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Whats the status on the Macken St bridge, which was due to be up when again?

      As per usual, one would not want to be relying on any critical analysis in Irish Times coverage of Dublin matters anymore – that paper has really gone to pot, and these days only seems to be a mouthpiece for DCC guff.

    • #797371
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Well they are at least working on Macken St (Beckett) bridge at the moment, you can see it from the O’Casey bridge. Joyce/O’Casey/Beckett: what will they call this new bridge?

    • #797372
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I don’t claim to know anything about bridge construction but with a view of proceedings they seem to be moving at a snails pace.

      Our old paper of reocord the Irish Times had an article in July ’07 stating that it would be completed in 18 months.

      Go on to the DDDA website and its due for completion in 2008 and 2009

      http://www.ddda.ie/index.jsp?nID=297&pID=218

      Do I hear 2010 ? anyone anyone ?

    • #797373
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I thought that looking at it recently (as I took the fab little liffey ferry over to Spencer Dock) but when you remember that the bridge will pivot on an off centre foundation and then span across to North Wall Quay then you can see that progress is being made. I imagine that once these elements are complete the superstructure, which will be pre-assessembled, will be fitted into place. I think early next year is quite reasonable.

    • #797374
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @notjim wrote:

      what will they call this new bridge?

      For southsiders, it will of course be called “The Bridge To God Knows Where” :p

      Thats good to hear about progress being made with the Guild St Bridge – I say Guild St, because it really is Guild St that it links to, whereas Macken St is a street away! ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #797375
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Calm down childer…quiet at the back there !! ๐Ÿ˜ก

      The real issue is buried here…….

      ” The bridge would ultimately be for public transport; however, councillors were told yesterday that the bridge would serve to ease the inevitable gridlock in the centre when metro and Luas works begin across O’Connell Bridge. During this construction, Westmoreland Street is likely to be closed and the new bridge would temporarily be permitted to carry cross-town traffic.”

      Just wait and see how Dublin City Councils definition of the words “Ineviatable” and “Temporarily” now assume new and important places in the English language… ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #797376
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      …A Dublin Bus bridge. Their conquest of the city continues unabated. So public transport, LUAS etc.. how big is this bridge going to be? I mean, you could throw a ball at it from O’Connell Bridge. It’ll be so close. It would suit me to have a pedestrian bridge there, and a narrow structure taking a LUAS line and walkers might be acceptable, but a column of yellow monsters plying their trade on an hourly basis across what will become an eyesore? No thanks.

    • #797377
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Precisely. Even a delicate Millenium Bridge structure is pushing it, let alone what will be approaching the second-widest bridge in the city sited in its shortest stretch.

      All the arguments have been well-rehearsed on the other thread, so nothing theres more really to add other than that public transport planning in this city is being driven almost exclusively by prosaic concerns of practicality. It’s entirely a numbers game, with lines on a map, and zero consideration for views and vistas, heritage and the wider urban environment. Fancy schmancy chromed shelters and tracts of ‘quality’ Chinese granite does not compensate for an incoherent and ill-considered public realm. The egregious comments made by an RPA rep to me at one of the consultations “but look we’ve lots of trees along here, to keep your type happy” merely confirmed what I already knew.

      Plough the lines through and chuck em a few cobbles and shrubs is pretty much the policy.

      Indcidentally this bridge structure will have to be of some height to match the levels of neighbouring quays. Not nearly as unobtrusive as the reticent Butt Bridge beyond.

      A rather sultry view of the ‘trapped pool’ as currently exists.

    • #797378
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      So does this bridge make a nonsense of the (now granted, because the sole appeal was withdrawn) Strand Street bus interchange, or does the bus interchange make a nonsense of this bridge proposal?

      Surely someone has thought of that, right? Someone? Anyone?

      Tell the cross town private car traffic to f*ck off and give the city back to the pedestrians and cyclists. Then we’ll know you mean business, DCC.

    • #797379
      admin
      Keymaster

      @ctesiphon wrote:

      So does this bridge make a nonsense of the (now granted, because the sole appeal was withdrawn) Strand Street bus interchange, or does the bus interchange make a nonsense of this bridge proposal?

      nope cte, this bridge makes no sense all by itself.

    • #797380
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Ah Eden Qy boardwalk… we hardly knew you

    • #797381
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I’m surprised that you guys are surprised that road (sorry, traffic) engineers have had an aesthetics by-pass; they are essentially demented as a class and would not know townscape if it bit them in the region where their head usually is !

    • #797382
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @d_d_dallas wrote:

      Ah Eden Qy boardwalk… we hardly knew you

      LOL

      Shit, where am I going to score my smack now?

      @GrahamH wrote:

      The egregious comments made by an RPA rep to me at one of the consultations “but look we’ve lots of trees along here, to keep your type happy” merely confirmed what I already knew.

      Isnt it great to think that these feckers are paid at tax-payers expense, and now they throw in the insults free of charge, and of course Graham your type will now be unhappy that this was pointed out to you :p

      @johnglas wrote:

      I’m surprised that you guys are surprised that road (sorry, traffic) engineers have had an aesthetics by-pass; they are essentially demented as a class and would not know townscape if it bit them in the region where their head usually is !

      Nail, hammer, head. If you want to see what these types are capable of, examine the unnecessary poles, barriers, and other metal junk and clutter along the Luas line – particularly at the rear of the Fourcourts. Oh, but they do have cobbles between the tracks. Useless wasteful wankers :rolleyes:

    • #797383
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      http://www.dublincity.ie/your_council/councillors/

      YOU CAN NOW WATCH THE DESTRUCTION OF DUBLIN LIVE

      http://www.dublincity.public-i.tv/site/:confused:

      If any one whats to use any of the images you can…

      ( I think the BX could stop just before Nassau street )
      ( I also think the luas going in front of trinity college is bad so it should start again in westmoreland st or dolier)
      ( But for this to work any metro ticket/luas ticket should include 3 extra stops free so you can jump rather than have to by two tickets)
      ( free city circle luas in Dublin what are the odds of that ? )

    • #797384
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I can’t help but notice that image only shows the northbound route…

    • #797385
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      i believe St Anne’s on Dawson St is campaigning against having the Luas on Dawson St & is proposing that it should run down Merrion Square instead. The tinkling of the Luas would interfere with the church music.
      Anyway, as to bridges, why don’t they just pave over the Liffey – that damn river is just in the way!

    • #797386
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      lol, Mussolini toyed with that idea for Venice. Not that I’d advocate emulating IL DUCE but he did get the trains to run on time, whereas we can’t even get the bloody rails built.
      This bridge is going to be colossal and absurdly close to O’Connell Bridge. It seems the only NIMBYs with clout are in Dublin 4. Could they not just widen Butt bridge and the Matt Talbot bridge or something?

    • #797387
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @JuliusCaesar wrote:

      i believe St Anne’s on Dawson St is campaigning against having the Luas on Dawson St & is proposing that it should run down Merrion Square instead. The tinkling of the Luas would interfere with the church music.
      Anyway, as to bridges, why don’t they just pave over the Liffey – that damn river is just in the way!

      So St Annes wants to send the sardine tins on a magical mystery tour of Dublin………a better idea would be to relocate their tedious madrigals to Helmand provence where they could concentrate on other things.

    • #797388
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @JuliusCaesar wrote:

      i believe St Anne’s on Dawson St is campaigning against having the Luas on Dawson St & is proposing that it should run down Merrion Square instead. The tinkling of the Luas would interfere with the church music.

      Stupid fuckers – all those 46a buses are so quiet compared to the Luas – NIMBY-ism at its worst

    • #797389
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I think they’re most concerned about having the road outside the entrance to their church being dug up for months upon months. It’s not an insane concern, seeing as Dawson St is now one of the few roads from Donnybrook direction that leads to College Green…via the bottleknecks around Trinity,,
      Actually, what sort of nonsense city centre do we have? There’s not one bloody wide street, apart from the two big Georgian Squares!

    • #797390
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Hmmm – wider streets is a problem but we are stuck with a city that was never laid out to accommodate huge volumes of traffic, just like most European cities.

      There were radical plans in the 1970s and 1980s to “redesign” the city to accommodate the motor car, which involved demolishing whole streets of buildings to widen them thereby creating beautiful broad vistas of empty lots and surface carparking. :rolleyes:

      What is needed is traffic tunnels from north to south under the Liffey and rethink of all those bus route that just have to go up O’Connell Street

    • #797391
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Ljubljana 3 bridges the problem for DCC is they all look the same : )

    • #797392
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      New design of the luas liffey bridge. The sooner the better they demolish hawkins house!!!!! What an eyesore!!!!:eek::eek::eek:

    • #797393
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Have your say about the Marlborough Street Bridge

      http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/MajorTransportProjects/Pages/MarlboroughStreetPublic.aspx

      Dublin City Council is planning to build a new bridge over the River Liffey in Dublin City Centre, just downstream of Oรขโ‚ฌโ„ขConnell Bridge. Plans and particulars of the proposed project will be on display at the offices of Dublin City Council, The Atrium, Block 4, Civic Offices, Wood Quay Dublin 8 Monday to Friday between 9.00am and 4.30pm from Thursday 18th September until Wednesday 1st October 2008. An information evening will held at the same location on Thursday 18th September 2008 between 4pm and 8pm. Staff from Dublin City Council and its consultants will be in attendance at this time to answer queries from the public.

    • #797394
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      glad to see there’s some kind of planning progress being made on line BX

    • #797395
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      If all the buses coming down O’Connell St make a left-hand turn onto Eden Quay, then you can forget about trying to move east along the quays. There’ll be a continuous yellow bottleneck, as far as the eye can see.

    • #797396
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      This is just a desperate sticking plaster attempt to assist mobility in the city centre; it’s unnecessary. A complete rethink and reorganisation of the bus routing would be far more effective

    • #797397
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Why not ban all cars from coming into Dublin they do that in Oxford pedestrianize the lot free up some space from the overpriced car parks just my tuppence worth

    • #797398
      Anonymous
      Inactive

    • #797399
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      too logical, it doesn’t stand a chance.

    • #797400
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Good golly missarechi, are you actually proposing that bus and luas could use the same road space? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

      As johnglas says, far too logical – it’ll never happen…

    • #797401
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      It’s a laudible idea but I think it’s anything but logical. There is too much traffic allowed go over O’Connell Bridge for this to work on any level. There are currently four traffic lanes in which both cars and buses are allowed [regularly completely full] and under this proposal, it would be cut to two.
      As long as DCC continue to use O’Connell Bridge as one of the city’s main access/exit points, this proposition is unworkable.
      Not suggesting the new bridge makes sense either but it’s not as simple as all this.

    • #797402
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      it is logical….

      one half storey bus line and/or one luas line one route… the average speed would go up… why? because you don’t have cars and the great wall of buses blocking your path…

      you need to eliminate right hand turns left hand turns in some shape or form…
      I mean the average speed has been stated at 5.5km/hr whats the point as has been pointed out it was quicker for me to jog from central bank to the top end in peak hr… than catch a bus I missed…
      and I even had time to get change…

      even if traffic gets slower does anyone really care??? I can walk faster

      metro north if it ever happens will open up even more potential and become a spinal cord if the fare is right and tickets are valid for 2 hrs…

    • #797403
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Metro North/Luas BX/etc does little or nothing for the people who either need cars for work or don’t have access to a decent public transport network.
      It is one thing talking about congestion charging, closing the city centre off when a public transport network is in place, as it is in somewhere like London/Paris/even New York.
      But punishing motorists for the failures of government is wrong-headed, particularly for some notion of a vague improvement in the public environment.
      Without wanting to sound like AA Roadwatch, the majority of Dubliners would prefer O’Connell Bridge to remain open to traffic than having to do a 15-minute detour via St Patrick’s Cathedral or Butt Bridge.

    • #797404
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @missarchi wrote:

      http://www.dublincity.ie/your_council/councillors/

      YOU CAN NOW WATCH THE DESTRUCTION OF DUBLIN LIVE

      http://www.dublincity.public-i.tv/site/:confused:

      If any one whats to use any of the images you can…

      ( I think the BX could stop just before Nassau street )
      ( I also think the luas going in front of trinity college is bad so it should start again in westmoreland st or dolier)
      ( But for this to work any metro ticket/luas ticket should include 3 extra stops free so you can jump rather than have to by two tickets)
      ( free city circle luas in Dublin what are the odds of that ? )

      I have a question about this- Why is there a big road running through hawkins house, is there any plan for this or is it a mistake?

    • #797405
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      It and Apollo House will eventually be redeveloped in a jv between Shelbourne and the OPW

    • #797406
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @daithidaithi wrote:

      I have a question about this- Why is there a big road running through hawkins house, is there any plan for this or is it a mistake?

      there is no official plan however it would make sense in lots of ways if a tunnel/carpark/luas ever to go under
      college green platz and the loop line going underground… towards custom house
      from a development perspective I would not know if it would help…

      allow you in some ways to get rid of right hand turn on con bridge

    • #797407
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      A bridge too far for Dresden’s world heritage status title

      http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0627/1224249656250.html

      that’s pretty full on it’s not easy being an architect create a world heritage site or lose one…

    • #797408
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @missarchi wrote:

      A bridge too far for Dresden’s world heritage status title

      http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2009/0627/1224249656250.html

      that’s pretty full on it’s not easy being an architect create a world heritage site or lose one…

      I suppose we’re lucky that the area around the new bridge over the Liffey has about as much chance of making it on to the UNESCO list as the Fatima Mansions.

    • #797409
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Bridge go-ahead depends on Metro North

      http://www.independent.ie/national-news/bridge-goahead-depends-on-metro-north-1843622.html

      reduce traffic congestion… yeah right? Is DCC paying for this thing anyway?

    • #797410
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      What in God’s name do we need another bridge for? DCC have a weird fetish for bridges, they can’t stop building them over our lovely Liffey. Surely an existing bridge can be widened to accommodate whatever new transportation scheme they have planned or it could be put underwater. At this rate the Liffey will disappear under a thicket of bridges by 2020.

    • #797411
      admin
      Keymaster

      Agreed

      The vista downriver from O’Connell Bridge is complicated enough by the loopline without adding another bridge which in any event would be of limited use given the usage of Marlborough Street by Northside buses which drop off there before picking up on Abbey Street or Eden Quay.

      I do however wish to congratulate DCC on their improvements to bus movements on the North South Axis to get from Upper Leeson St to Dublin Airport at 10am in 30 minutes is impressive; and clearly indicates that their QBC schemes are working like a dream!

    • #797412
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Are we asked seriously to believe that O’Connell Bridge is not wide enough to take pedestrians, cyclists, one lane of vehicles each side and parallel Luas lines? So you need to restrict cars/buses? Just do it.

    • #797413
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @johnglas wrote:

      Are we asked seriously to believe that O’Connell Bridge is not wide enough to take pedestrians, cyclists, one lane of vehicles each side and parallel Luas lines? So you need to restrict cars/buses? Just do it.

      the problems is the beggars

      you need at least a 30ft wide footpath to avoid them catching your eye

    • #797414
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      marmajam: priceless!

    • #797415
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @Cathal Dunne wrote:

      What in God’s name do we need another bridge for? DCC have a weird fetish for bridges, they can’t stop building them over our lovely Liffey. Surely an existing bridge can be widened to accommodate whatever new transportation scheme they have planned or it could be put underwater. At this rate the Liffey will disappear under a thicket of bridges by 2020.

      I decided to test your suggestion; here is a graph of the number of bridges, plotted against time: you can see it is remarkably linear, I pretend to do regression and find the line plotted

      y=(x-1750)/15

      which tells us that in 2020 there will be 18 bridges, which is actually the number we have today (*) and predicts this new proposed bridge will not be built. The rash of bridge building we see now is only a catch up for the “big gap” from 1900 until the 1980s, visible on the graph: you can also see the famine.

      (*) I included everything from the Sarah bridge east, but left off the Liffey Bridge, for which Wikipedia has no date.

    • #797416
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @johnglas wrote:

      Are we asked seriously to believe that O’Connell Bridge is not wide enough to take pedestrians, cyclists, one lane of vehicles each side and parallel Luas lines? So you need to restrict cars/buses? Just do it.

      Well they might have to move the taxi rank off the bridge and that would never do.

    • #797417
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @jimg wrote:

      Well they might have to move the taxi rank off the bridge and that would never do.

      Or the bus stop for that matter. I’ve never heard of a bridge with a bus stop on it before.

    • #797418
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @fergalr wrote:

      Or the bus stop for that matter. I’ve never heard of a bridge with a bus stop on it before.

      yes its just plane wrong if they are complaining about limited capacity…
      I would rather spend 15 million on a underground carpark/bustop or redesigning con bridge?

      where are the numbers/data that prove this will improve flow?
      these cars public transport have no where to go that is not already filled with traffic in peak hour introducing another set of lights is only going to make it worst…
      I did a planning application that involved a car lift the report was 20 pages or something from the consultant…
      where is the report for this project?

    • #797419
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      westmoreland st will be closed for 4 years during metro north construction

      there’s your report.

    • #797420
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I don’t have a problem with a bailey bridge the :p

      army can do that for free… not 15,000,000

    • #797421
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      the army?

      hmm it might work. they’d be well placed to take out the IT if there’s any more reports about draining the liffey for MN etc

      I believe there is room to bring Luas back down OCS but the reason “they’re” bringing it down Marlborough St is partly to encourage the regeneration of that street.
      the other reason is you can never have too many bridges

    • #797422
      Anonymous
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    • #797423
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @missarchi wrote:

      swiss miss on piles she milk that

      http://www.flickr.com/photos/25831992@N03/3575278179/sizes/o/

      believe that’s an early Calatrava.

      Eddie Calatrava that is from Mullingar. Very fond of Meccano.

    • #797424
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @notjim wrote:

      I decided to test your suggestion; here is a graph of the number of bridges, plotted against time: you can see it is remarkably linear, I pretend to do regression and find the line plotted

      y=(x-1750)/15

      which tells us that in 2020 there will be 18 bridges, which is actually the number we have today (*) and predicts this new proposed bridge will not be built. The rash of bridge building we see now is only a catch up for the “big gap” from 1900 until the 1980s, visible on the graph: you can also see the famine.
      .

      But you’re just thinking about the average rise with your graph, not the marginal. As we can see from your graph, the marginal rate of increase is exceptional which, if continued, will see the Liffey buried under bridges by 2020.

    • #797425
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      How quickly could this bailey bridge go up?

    • #797426
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Has this image disappeared?

      Re: New Liffey Bridge: Marlborough St to Hawkin’s St

      Postby missarchi ยป 20 Sep 2008 09:36

    • #797427
      Anonymous
      Inactive
    • #797428
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      How are they going to fund this when they cant even “do a job” on O’Connell st bridge.

    • #797429
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Isn’t the bridge being funded by the RPA as part of the Luas BXD line

    • #797430
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      They should redo Butt bridge instead of this new bridge:

      – Bury the dart line or run it over the bridge
      – Remove the elevated dart line
      – Make Butt bridge as wide as is needed

      It wouldn’t be putting the LUAS out a huge amount and would connect it to Tara Street station. Most importantly, it would remove the elevated DART bridge, which should never have been allowed in Dublin in the first place – the only elevated bridge along the liffey.

    • #797431
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @Zygnoth wrote:

      – Bury the dart line or run it over the bridge
      – Remove the elevbated dart line

      Is this comment based on some knowledge of the grade required to get the DART down to this level and back up again?

    • #797432
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      It is based on zero knowledge of grading.

      But if we’re going to put cash towards something in the city centre, we might as well try to fix the mistakes made in the past.

    • #797433
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      @Zygnoth wrote:

      It is based on zero knowledge of grading.

      But if we’re going to put cash towards something in the city centre, we might as well try to fix the mistakes made in the past.

      Well I think the issue of grading would make what you suggest extremely expensive when all it would achieve would be to remove a very attractive cast iron bridge and improve the view along the Liffey, which might be nice, however, it wouldn’t dramatically increase rail capacity across the Liffey, which must be the priority.

    • #797434
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      The “replace the Loop Line Bridge” item has been talked to death elsewhere on the forum, as has proposed Luas routes across the city. Shouldnt we just focus on the development at hand and making the proposed city Luas crossing as attractive and unobtrusive as possible.

    • #797435
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Why should we just focus on the new development – if a new development is flawed, surely that warrants an option that it should not go ahead at all?

      Ignoring the loop line proposal, the previous mention of O’Connell street seems like a very good option. Take out the middle island and you only need one more lane…

    • #797436
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      oooh a crane

    • #797437
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      It’s not for that poxy bridge, is it?

    • #797438
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      what’s a crane daddy?

    • #797439
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster

      Sits Stephen on knee. “A long time ago, there was a race of giants, they called them developers and they bestrode Dublin like Colossus. As a symbol of their virility, they erected temporary structures all over the city….

    • #797440
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Article from January criticising the bridge / http://news-beacon-ireland.info/?p=1780

    • #797441
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I see the quay wall is being dismantled and one hopes lessons have been learned from James Joyce Bridge and the removed quay wall stones secured and not left there to be knicked.

      On the article…isnt this just another case of the interminable navel gazing that greets these projects. The bridge has been decided and is now under construction. If Luas is built to its decided route then the bridge will make sense. If ABP sees fit and routes Luas down Marlborough Street in both directions then it will make even more sense (oops, am I indulging in interminable navel gazing about the route of Luas). If Luas doesn’t happen then the bridge will be an expensive additional route across the river and a bit of a white elephant, but well find some use for it. Like those empty poles… don’t remove them, just add more signage. Is brea liom Ath Cliath! (for the week that’s in it)

    • #797442
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Well that’s just it. The bridge reeks of ‘do something cos it’s better than doing nothing’. It’s better than navel gazing. So many projects bit the dust we’d better do something. But it’s the wrong project. The Luas link may never be built. The bridge is now unsustainable. It’s a new bridge in an area where there’s going to be little or no traffic in the future. High price to pay for a few extra bus turns.

      The contractors involved – Roughan O’Donovan Engineers, Sean Harrington Architects etc. – all need the work, no doubt. But it will be an embarrassing project to have your name to IMO.

    • #797443
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Sections of the quay walls on both sides have now been removed while the Boardwalk section have also been removed. Works seeming to be progressing.

      Will this project provide any benefits to the public realm along Eden and Burgh Quays? New quayside lighting? Painted flagpoles (better still removed flagpoles), tree planting? Most car parking removed to facilitate works. It has also meant that the usual wall of buses along Eden Quay has been removed…permanently one hopes.

    • #797444
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I observed a team taking apart and removing the Sheehan Monument at the junction with Burgh Quay/Hawkins Street this morning. I am not sure what is planned for the monument which as noted was placed at this location for a reason. However the increase in buses turning onto Hawkins Street was posing a big risk to the monument and it seems only a matter of time before it is damaged. I presume the statue is being removed as part of the bridge construction.

    • #797445
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Wonder where they propose putting the Sheehan memorial now. I know of a wooden box is St Anne’s Park that’s looking for a new tenant :thumbup:

      Another one of our city’s neglected water features:

    • #797446
      Paul Clerkin
      Keymaster
    • #797447
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Who cares what they name it…just get on and finish the bloody thing. The quays are a mess and it couldnt be that bloody difficult to build a bridge.

      Should have gotten Mary McAleese in ๐Ÿ™‚

    • #797448
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Bram Stoker, in keeping with the current trend?
      http://www.rte.ie/ten/news/2013/0710/461708-dublin-bridge-name-shortlist-revealed/

      Further up the stink, some enthusiastic lock smith has taken it upon himself to remove those pesky ‘love locks’ from Ha’penny Bridge. https://twitter.com/LoveLockNoMore . I wonder would he extend his services to the removal of illegal shop signage around the city, seeing as DCC aren’t much bothered doing it themselves.

    • #797449
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Rosie Hackett it is…

      I think the best women won.

    • #797453
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      The nearly complete Rosie Hackett Bridge

      The light poles are causing some discussion

      The Sheehan Memorial in its new location.

      Interesting to see the quay bumper to bumper during rush hour…I can see the conflict once Luas comes along.

      Those light posts were rather played down during the planning phase.

      http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/MajorTransportProjects/Documents/Marlborough_Street_Bridge_Synopsis_-_Aug_2011%5B1%5D.pdf

    • #797455
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      To be fair, i’d have to agree that they have achieved a remarkably slender profile given the width and competing needs that had to be catered for.

      The light poles however are just tack.

    • #797454
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Burgh Quay isn’t looking so hot from that first picture.

    • #797452
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      Sooooo…

      Now then.

      Any comments about our new slice of civic infrastructure?

      Anyone?

      Anyone in the architectural professional still alive?

      It’s tricky making out if the widespread deafening silence is indifference, or more of the usual fingers-in-the-ears lalalalalala it’s not happeninnnnng peer-review response, or because what has been delivered is such a gobsmacking triumph of engineering over aesthetics that the design profession is still rolling around on the ground, gasping for air.

      2020 Dublin = Birmingham

    • #797450
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      I think it’s very nice. It lifts the whole area. Dublin is already worse than Birmingham. It looks like a third world country. Nice to have something new and clean for a change.

    • #797451
      Anonymous
      Inactive

      a worthy companion for Butt Bridge.

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