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    lexington
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    ‘Government considering new Dublin outer ring road’
    – from: online.ie 2005-02-07 17:00:19+00

    The Taoiseach has hinted that the Government is to give serious consideration to building an outer ring road around Dublin.

    Speaking at the launch of Adamstown, the new business and residential location southwest of the capital, Bertie Ahern has said preparations must be made for an increase in population and traffic volume.

    The suggested orbital route would encircle the existing M50.

    Is this really proper strategic planning??? :confused: First Laois, now this.

    also, Another billion euros to facilitate the car? Make a bad problem worse? So long NSS.

    #750740
    sw101
    Participant

    Noooooooo…….stupid stupid stupid.

    #750741
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    The new route is rumoured to follow the outline of the Irish coastline….. 😉

    #750742
    sw101
    Participant

    how about a string of car-ferries ringing the country, with wee bridges connecting them all, head to tail. a trip to donegal would begin at dun laoghaire.

    #750743
    lexington
    Participant

    And to think they’re wasting all that money on constructing/upgrading the N8/N7 to motorway between Cork and Dublin, sure, just include it in the ring road! Or if not, at the rate at which these ring roads seem to be developing (the Cork Loop gearing up) and now this outer Dublin ring, the country will soon resemble an oversized spirograph.

    #750744
    Lotts
    Participant

    Is this not just the outer orbital? (Which is already partially built)

    #750745
    d_d_dallas
    Participant

    Is that the flyover being constructed near Rathcoole?

    #750746
    vinnyfitz
    Participant

    @Lotts wrote:

    Is this not just the outer orbital? (Which is already partially built)

    You are correct.

    #750747
    hutton
    Participant

    Here’s a funny thing, we know more roads linked to more roads will create worse traffic chaos, so what will we do? I know lets build another road! Roll on the Outer Dublin Orbital Ultimate Ring-road, or ODOUR for short! :p

    Port tunnel will add to M50 chaos, warns toll roads chief

    THE €750m Dublin port tunnel, which will take 9,000 trucks out of the city centre, will force 7,000 extra trucks on to the already chaotic M50 motorway, adding to the commuter nightmare. The grim prediction was made yesterday by National Toll Roads (NTR), which operates the controversial Westlink toll bridge on the motorway.

    In a special briefing for the Irish Independent, the company offered to finance and build a new tolled outer orbital route around the M50 and an eastern bypass, effectively completing a circle of motorway around the capital. Although the toll booths are coming down when the upgrade of the M50 is completed and tolling switches to an automated system, Kyran Hurley, NTR’s deputy managing director, blamed the gridlocked junctions along the M50 for the traffic chaos, and said the toll booths were not responsible.

    He pointed out that it was Government policy to extend the tolls on the M50 for another 15 years after 2020 to pay for the planned upgrade involving extra lanes, and freeflow junctions.

    The NTR boss called for the upgrade to happen quickly but warned that even with increased capacity the road would be unable to meet demand and there would be congestion.

    Labour leader Pat Rabbitte yesterday urged the Government to negotiate the lifting of tolls at peak hours on the M50 during construction work.

    It was no longer just an issue for traffic on the M50, but also for commuters from Meath and Kildare who needed to cross the M50, he said.

    “But consider what will happen to traffic from every direction when the roadworks start to upgrade the motorway to three lanes. What is now an unmanageable commute will become an unbearable one,” he said.

    “The toll plaza is aggravating the congestion on the M50 and it will worsen for the duration of the renovation works,” he said, urging the Government to sacrifice some of the €15m it earned from the tolls every year to ease gridlock.
    Treacy Hogan
    © Irish Environment

    #750748
    Rockflanders
    Participant

    Was this todays indo? 15th Feb?

    #750749
    hutton
    Participant
    #750750
    Rory W
    Participant

    There was a plan mooted that I found very sensible indeed for an outer ring road running from the M1 at Drogheda to the M7/M9 intersection between Naas and Newbridge – far enough out that you wouldn’t get the M50 effect in terms of development and all the northern trucks could completely bypass the capital if they were heading for Rosslare, Cork, Waterford and Galway – all made perfect sense to me.

    Wonder what happened to this plan

    #750751
    jmkennedyie
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    vinnyfitz, Lotts, Rory W, d_d_dallas:
    Here is my understanding of new ring roads planned / in construction for Dublin
    Outer Ring Road is pretty much a dual carrigeway eventually from N81 Blessington road to N7 Kingswood (new interchange near Baldonnel) to Nangor road (Wyeth) to Lucan South to N4 Lucan (Woodies interchange). The middle bit (N7 to Nangor Road) is now open. Note also, there will be a spur dual-carriageway to Adamstown, along the Cork railway line. Idea is to get local traffic off the M50, but to be honest I reckon it will be hectic when the M50 upgrade kicks in. You can see the route of this road in the SDCC Development plan maps
    Outer Orbital Route is what Bertie is referring to (but unfortunately the article or Bertie called it outer ring road). A motorway-class road circling Greater Dublin Region. Something like Drogheda to Navan to Maynooth to Nass / Newbridge, and maybe beyond…was referred to by Frank in Irish Times a year or two ago after a visit to nra. Here’s a little nugget of info from Minister of Transport in 2004 .
    Hope this helps!

    #750752
    vinnyfitz
    Participant

    Thanks JMK
    Lots of coverage on this today arising from Cullen’s feasability study announcement. Smacks of by-electioneering really.

    #750753
    kefu
    Participant

    If you think two or even three ring roads is bad, have a look at Beijing, which has seven.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_Roads_of_Beijing

    #750754
    jmkennedyie
    Participant

    No probs.
    Yep, saw the news. (Dept. of Transport press release for those interested). Unfortunately they too refer to the Outer Orbital Route as the Outer Ring Road. 🙁
    – JMK

    #750755
    Nelly
    Participant

    Perhaps the government should start looking at the root cause of traffic congestion in Dublin – namely that so many people in the greater Dublin area work in the city. Look at the M3. This is being built why? To give those in North Meath/Cavan etc. better access to Dublin. If only the jobs where dispersed nearer to North Meath/Cavan in the first place, none of this chaos would be neccassary.
    Decentralisation should really be the first step, and I don’t mean moving civil servants around. New industries need to be encouraged to locate somewhere further away from Dublin. And that would solve a lot of problems. Dublin and its suburbs are swallowing up the surrounding counties anyway, so at the present rate the ring road will soon end up being part of Dublin rather than going around it.

    #750756
    urbanisto
    Participant

    Aaah no. Lets just build more roads. Sure its great fun! Sure you cant stop development!

    #750757
    Sean Carney
    Participant

    Madness, London one ring road, Dublin two, my goodness, the irish can not plan a country to save there lives.
    I’m Irish but seem to be the only one with common sense and the only one who can see what the real problem is.
    If you put everything belonging to a country into one city what do you get, problems, easy.
    Decentralise, not just a few government departments, that is not decentralisation.
    Use this money to construct a new capital, move judicial services to another city, move legislative services to another, build regional parliments/assemblies.
    That will solve Dublins traffic problems, congestion, overcrowding, encourage people to move to other parts of Ireland.
    Bottom line, u Dubliners wanted everything, you got everything, now live with the conciquences and shut up complaining.
    If you bought a five bedroomed house and put everything into the living room and then complained about how cramped the living room was, would this make sense.
    Then you came along and built a second door into the living room because you could not enter due to everything being cramped in there, would this make sense, well this is Ireland!
    What you do is spread things around the entire house, common sense.

    Wake up Ireland, if you want an example of this look to New Zealand and stop making excuses.

    #750758
    kefu
    Participant

    Yeah Sean you’re the only one with common sense. Fair play to you.
    Move the capital to Castlebar.

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