New Advertising in Dublin
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- March 6, 2007 at 12:46 am #776777
ctesiphon
ParticipantThe threat of slagging doesn’t seem to stop many young ladies and gents going out on the town in mid-winter dressed as if for Ibiza. But let’s face it, if lorry drivers at Clare Hall and ambulance drivers in many parts of south and west Dublin* can’t do their jobs in peace, what hope for a topless foxy blonde?
(By ‘here’, I meant on this site. Should have clarified. 😮 )
*Before anyone gets all shirty over the specified location, I’ve only ever heard of ambulance drivers being attacked on duty in these locations.
March 6, 2007 at 6:29 pm #776778manifesta
ParticipantHoardings along the roadside, apart from being dangerous to motorists, cyclists, and pedestrians (as if we could ever hope that reasoned argument will prevail on this front), are quite possibly the most asinine form of advertising known to mankind.
It was a novelty in America during the Great Depression when Burma Shave set up roadsigns along a rural highway in Minnesota. These billboards, usually five or six to a crop, spelled out jingles that took the average driver about 18 seconds to read and usually had some amusing pun or rhyme. This eventually spread throughout most of the 50 states and generally cheered people up from the fact that they had no job, no means of supporting their families, and were lucky to be scrapping round in a vehicle that doubled as a home. Surely not the preferred method for grabbing peoples’ attention in this time of the Celtic Tiger!
They started to dig these things up in the 50’s when someone decided it wasn’t worth it to pay farmers for land rental. Cigaratte giants Phillip Morris bought out Burma Shave in 1963 and sensibly set about a more lucrative form of advertising that spoke to the changing times: subliminal advertising and lacing their products with fiberglass and cocaine, I mean, nicotine. Come on, JC Decaux and M6 Media. No one wants to see more of this crap by the side of the road. This is the 21st century. Can’t you control people’s thoughts through mobile phones by now?
Something for nostalgia’s sake– to be inserted inside the new hoardings we’ll soon be seeing by the roadside:
IF YOU WANT
FREE JACKS AND BIKES
YOU”LL HAVE TO PUT UP
WITH OUR SHITE
JC DECAUX
March 8, 2007 at 12:50 pm #776779ctesiphon
ParticipantFor anyone considering submitting an observation / objection to phase 2 (50 No. smaller signs) of this proposal, today is the last day. So get busy, people! 🙂
March 12, 2007 at 7:49 pm #776780hutton
ParticipantHeres something that may be of interest; the first map is that of the locations of the larger billboards as marked by red dots – isnt it odd how the map shows so much of the northside :rolleyes: –

This second map is that of the bus-shelter size adverts, this time marked by orange dots –
March 12, 2007 at 9:09 pm #776781alonso
Participantbesides the Grand Canal area, are there any billboards planned for D2?
March 13, 2007 at 10:00 am #776782ConK
ParticipantGreat Work Hutton !
You haven’t marked out where the Bike centres are proposed to be. I was thinking about this, and although I don’t think that the price of the bike is the inhibiting factor for people to cycle – it might just get a few more people cyling – which is a good thing albeit at a high price.
I think that the maintainance break/fix contract to support the bikes should have a 40 year duration – like the toll roads. And if the quantity of bikes decreases by (say) 20, JC Dev remove one of the billboards.
I guess what I’m saying is that the fate of the billboards should be inextricably tied to the fate of the bikes. So when the bikes end up the in canal & JC Dev have no incentive to take them out, they loose a billboard.
Why don’t Dublin City Council put up the billboards, and keep the advertising revenue themsleves – to spend on the bikes? and spend JcDevs profits putting in a few cycle lanes.
March 14, 2007 at 9:57 am #776783Anonymous
InactiveThe bikes shelters and ancillary bikes could still be profitable for JC Deceaux in their own right it is felt. These will no doubt all be located on main routes and will have three road facing sides which will no doubt be festooned with images of Wayne Rooney et al which could potentially generate as much as €20,000 per installation per year depending on location. Taking a 5% yield and assuming that the rental fees and maintenance costs of these unpuncturable bikes are cost neutral the value of each such installation could be €400,000.
This is not de nortside being lumbered with metropoles whilst the southside gets the prize paid for by de nortside’s metropoles.
March 14, 2007 at 10:03 am #776784publicrealm
Participant@PVC King wrote:
These will no doubt all be located on main routes and will have three road facing sides which will no doubt be festooned with images of Wayne Rooney et al which will each generate as much as €20,000 per installation per year depending on location.
This is not de nortside being lumbered with metropoles whilst the southside gets the prize to pay for it.
I understand that Mr Rooney is admired on the Northside – but surely his image will not be used on the Southside? Are we to have Sinn Fein election posters next?
Appalled.
March 14, 2007 at 10:06 am #776785Anonymous
InactiveNo I think the Southside will get John Terry as many seem to confuse Donnybrook with Chelsea if the number of urban tractors is anything to go by. I as always dream of Shamrock Rovers becoming great again.
March 14, 2007 at 4:26 pm #776786hutton
Participant@ConK wrote:
Great Work Hutton !
Many thanks 🙂
Anybody hear this on the Vincent Brown show the other night – or is that just a rumour? I see theres a big piece in Phoenix magazine on it (page 5, under the heading “councilors taken for a ride”); if anyone has a digital copy of that, it’d be great to post here 😉
March 15, 2007 at 10:16 pm #776787archipimp
Participantim tired of this northside vs southside fight,im not just talking about here but i expected people on this site to be looking for the benefit of the whole city as one rather than slagging each other.also if most these bike shelters were on the southside the argument would be “typical they get all those facilities down there the northside gets nothing”
also has anyone thought that maybe the bike shelters are planned for the areas they are because they will be of more benifit to those communities eg.many people in rathmines would scoff at the idea of using public transport so why would they use these bikes while less well of areas are more likely to use them!March 16, 2007 at 8:12 am #776788hutton
Participant@archipimp wrote:
im tired of this northside vs southside fight,im not just talking about here but i expected people on this site to be looking for the benefit of the whole city as one rather than slagging each other.also if most these bike shelters were on the southside the argument would be “typical they get all those facilities down there the northside gets nothing”
also has anyone thought that maybe the bike shelters are planned for the areas they are because they will be of more benifit to those communities eg.many people in rathmines would scoff at the idea of using public transport so why would they use these bikes while less well of areas are more likely to use them!Have you not read anything in this thread after post 16?
These are NOT bike shelters – they are 120 BILLBOARD sites;
the point is its not “Northside vs Southside”, but how shitty adverts are to be dumped on working class areas – which tend to be on the Northside.
The 25 bike shelter locations have yet to be decided.March 16, 2007 at 9:47 am #776789Anonymous
Inactive@archipimp wrote:
also has anyone thought that maybe the bike shelters are planned for the areas they are because they will be of more benifit to those communities eg.many people in rathmines would scoff at the idea of using public transport so why would they use these bikes while less well of areas are more likely to use them!
Archipimp, why do you assume that cycling should only be for the less well off as a mode of transport? I thought you wanted to think about the benefits of this scheme for the whole city?
March 16, 2007 at 4:27 pm #776790publicrealm
Participant@archipimp wrote:
im tired of this northside vs southside fight,im not just talking about here but i expected people on this site to be looking for the benefit of the whole city as one rather than slagging each other.!
Absolutely. Time to move on from the old ways, rising tide levels playing pitch etc.
For years now many northsiders have been living happily in Ranelagh, and my neighbours and I fully accept them and consider them a colourful addition to the area.
Their sunny and carefree outlook makes a pleasant contrast with that of the indigenous population and, when treated properly, they prove very loyal.
March 16, 2007 at 6:47 pm #776791hutton
Participant@publicrealm wrote:
Absolutely. Time to move on from the old ways, rising tide levels playing pitch etc.
For years now many northsiders have been living happily in Ranelagh, and my neighbours and I fully accept them and consider them a colourful addition to the area.
Their sunny and carefree outlook makes a pleasant contrast with that of the indigenous population and, when treated properly, they prove very loyal.
Hear hear. LMAO 😀
March 19, 2007 at 9:40 pm #776792manifesta
Participanthutton wrote:I see theres a big piece in Phoenix magazine on it (page 5, under the heading “councilors taken for a ride”)]Originally posted in PHOENIX MAGAZINE
COUNCILLORS BEING TAKEN FOR A RIDE
A REMARKABLE row has emerged in Dublin City Council over a contract already agreed by officials with advertising firm, JCDecaux, in what has been described as a “free bike†scheme for Dublin: that is “free†in exchange for 120 billboard sites. So controversial is the scheme that denizens like Bertie Ahern – as a Drumcondra resident – has objected to it.
While media reports have concentrated on the bicycles, the real story is that councillors are outraged at the deal being already agreed by officials, with councillor Tom Stafford’s criticisms of the plan as a “terrible, terrible application†typifying representatives’ views.
Councillors were simply not aware of the scheme’s details – that is until 70 simultaneous applications to erect billboards was made by JCDecaux during December, with another 50 in January. These roadside units are to display adverts on one side, with “civic information†on the other – and all to be located on public footpaths.
Strangely there has been no Environmental Impact Assessment, nor a council motion selling public land – while councillors are also puzzled as to why, if the council is to be a beneficiary, that the applications were not addressed to Bórd Pleanála.
More interesting is that by virtue of the project being applied for as more than 120 individual applications, it would cost over €25 grand for total adjudication by the Bórd.
However, Executive Planning Manager Ciaran MacNamara has been busy at council meetings defending the “public realm enhancementsâ€. Describing the proposed billboards as a “new departure for the industryâ€, MacNamara claims that along with the 500 rental bikes, the city will get 4 public toilets, “a family of way-finding signageâ€, and JCDecaux would reduce their current billboards by 25%.
Yet despite the contract having been already signed, MacNamara is refusing to release it to councillors on the basis it as “commercially sensitive†– with councillors now resorting to FOI requests.
Mr MacNamara also claims that “very few†objections had been received; maybe he didn’t see the one from Bertie Ahern, or from Tony Gregory, or the one from Councillor Larry O’ Toole. Councillor Tom Brabazon has been very busy getting in a dozen objections – while dozens of other interests have also objected, such as Dublin City Business Association whose members – Arnotts, Clerys, and Eason’s – have all filed objections.
Then there’s the Dublin Transportation Office’s submission regarding the 70 15-feet high “metropole†applications, which states “the DTO is totally opposed†as illuminated signage “is considered to be a safety hazardâ€.
Now councillors have begun to do their own sums regarding the advertising revenue potential; Tom Stafford estimated €13 million per annum – which over the 15 year terms is over €200 Million; i.e. enough to buy 2 million bikes…
Anybody feel as if they have been taken for a ride?
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Taken for a ride? Goodness, I’ve no idea what happened to me. Last thing I knew I was sailing around the streets of Dublin on my ‘virtually vandal-proof’ bike. Then I woke up with a massive head wound with not a soul around but this cluster of huge glowing ads for deodorant featuring sweating male athletes and scantily clad ladies, from which I smartly intuited that surely, surely I had ended up (somehow, someway!) on the northside. Now if only there was ‘a family of way-finding signage’ to help me get back home! Oh, how convenient, I see they’ve provided some for me. Thanks, JC Decaux. Wow. Once again, you’ve thought of everything.
‘Public realm enhancement’. . . ‘commercially sensitive’ . . . ‘a family of way-finding signage’ . . . If that isn’t the wooly rhetoric of sheep’s clothing, I don’t know what is.
Boo, hiss.
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March 29, 2007 at 4:32 pm #776793urbanisto
ParticipantThese are all going through this week.
March 29, 2007 at 4:48 pm #776794newgrange
ParticipantI have never been involved in planning things before.
I have objections lodged against two of these. Will they contact me to tell me what has happened? How long do I get before I have to appeal if they are passed?March 29, 2007 at 5:33 pm #776795ctesiphon
ParticipantStephen,
When you say ‘going through’ do you mean that they will be passed or that the decision is due?
newgrange,
You should get a letter from DCC acknowledging receipt of your submission, then a notification of their decision to grant or refuse, which will tell you how long you have to appeal if you choose to do so- it’s 4 weeks.
March 29, 2007 at 9:13 pm #776796urbanisto
ParticipantI mean that decisions are being made….. a number have been granted. Among the conditions are that a number of the large billboards be removed.
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