New Advertising in Dublin
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- July 4, 2008 at 5:28 pm #776977
notjim
ParticipantI have just seen the one on the corner of Dorset St and Synott Place and it is completely shocking, lethal, it completely blocks the traffic light for the junction and the pedestrian crossing.
July 4, 2008 at 6:07 pm #776978hutton
ParticipantLethal + tawdry shite. Shame on you DCC 😡
I hope this thread is of help to any future injured parties requiring compensation from JC Decaux and/ or Dublin City Council from any injuries incurred arising from these billboards.
Moreover, I understand there has not yet been a safety report back to councillors, as was required by March; can anybody shed any further light on this?
It is all simply outrageous.
July 4, 2008 at 6:54 pm #776979Alek Smart
ParticipantWell,our City Manager stoutly declares his belief that we have a “World Class” traffic management system in Dublin.
The Rathmines and Dorset St hoardings flatly contradict this and appear to render it as the babblings of somebody possibly not quite “right in the head”.
However,it will probably be more productive to count how many senior City Council administrators decide to holiday in France this year….and next year….and the year after….. 😀 😀 😀
July 6, 2008 at 4:57 pm #776980Smithfield Resi
ParticipantMoreover, I understand there has not yet been a safety report back to councillors, as was required by March; can anybody shed any further light on this?
It was requested in March. The original Emergency Motion was phrased as no work to be done until a full H&S study was done on the siting. It was toned down to a request for a H&S report.
I’m finding it hard to believe that some of these sitings have passed a road safety audit. The madness is the PP requires one AFTER they are erected; ‘let’s put them up to see if it is dangerous’.
d) The proposed structure shall be subject to a Stage 3 Road Safety Audit at the applicants expense. This will be done by an approved auditor through a public procurement procedure, which shall audit the entire permitted signage. Any failure shall be removed.
What was wrong with a Stage 2: “Completion of detailed design, prior to tender of construction contract. In the case of Design and Build contracts, a Stage 2 audit shall be carried out in accordance with the requirements of the contract.”
Instead of:
Stage 3: Completion of construction (prior to opening of the scheme to traffic wherever possible).
I’ll bet these Stage 3 Audits have not been done, any more than the requirement to remove 100 48-sheet billboards has been done.
I also got a look at the footing for the one on Parnell Street. Appalling standard of work “Ah sure, just lash a bit’o the ole asssh-felt in there” Looks dreadful. It’s also at about a 35deg angle (let’s catch the motorists eye just at the ped crossing….) Cleverly this is one of the applications where the orientation of the sign was NOT shown on the site plan. The linear lines of the footpath road etc are just f*cked by plonking this down at an random angle.
July 6, 2008 at 5:07 pm #776981Alek Smart
ParticipantI am absolutely stunned by the siting of the Unit at Dorset St/Synott Place.
It not alone masks the kerbside traffic signal array but also manages to effectively increase the risk of serious accident to pedesterians concealed behind it too !I have never before witnessed such a complete and total example of Corporate Negligence as is visible here.
At this stage I consider there is sufficient evidence to sustain such a charge against the City Manager and several of the Proffessional branch of DCC as it is quite obvious that none of these people carried out any form of due diligence in relation to this particular location.
World Class Traffic Management My Sweet Ass ! 😮
July 6, 2008 at 7:23 pm #776982Smithfield Resi
ParticipantNow this is just taking the p1ss…. Dorset St/Synott Place
Planning Montage – note the scale is wrong on the structure (compare height with traffic lights)

As erected;

Establishing shot – Spot the child in a buggy anyone (how about at 50kph?)
Stepping out…
Erected in the wrong place.
You have to be kidding me……5. The developer shall comply fully with the following requirements of the Roads & Traffic Planning Division; a) The proposed structure shall not impede any road signs, traffic lights, pedestrian crossings, vision along kerb edge lines or any other road infrastructure. This may require a slight adjustment in the proposed location as submitted.
Slight adjustment I would recommend here would be about 3 metres to the left….into a skip!
From the pedestrian crossing…taken whilst standing on the tactile ped crossing surface…..

Completely obscures cycle lane…
Motorists viewpoint

Spot the ped walking out?
This goes beyond the argument of advertising on our footpaths. This is criminal negligence on the part of DCC, JCDecaux and the contractor. Someone will die at this crossing unless this is removed NOW!
These structures have been slammed by the Dublin Transportation Office, described as a road safety hazard by An Bord Pleanala, a report on their safety has been requested by a city counciller to which no response has been given. If I were a lawyer representing a injury or death compensation claim at this point. I would also be citing the Corporate Manslaughter Bill 2007
Grossly negligent management causing death:
A high managerial agent may be guilty of grossly negligent management causing death if he knew or ought to have known of a substantial risk of death or personal harm and failed to take reasonable efforts to eliminate that risk. Penalties for grossly negligent management include:A fine; and/or
Up to 12 year’s imprisonment; and or
A Disqualification Order whereby the managerial agent may be disqualified from acting in a management capacity by the court for a period not exceeding 15 years.Breach of the order gives rise to a fine of €3,000,000 and/or 2 years imprisonment and/or further disqualification for 10 years.
July 6, 2008 at 8:26 pm #776983alonso
ParticipantThere’s actually 2 of these outside the Bleedin Horse, the one shown above plus another outside the Bookies opposite.
That Dorset st one should fall victim to Toothy McSawsign as I showed earlier. It’s totally and utterly fucking dangerous. Great work smithfieldresi
the fucking traffic lights are blocked – how dumb does one have to be to allow this?
July 6, 2008 at 9:51 pm #776984Alek Smart
ParticipantThans to Smithfield Resi for those images and particularly for the Wording of the Corporate Manslaughter Bill 2000.
Thse images portray a situation far worse than anybody could have believed.
Perhaps the structures were erected in darkness by a French crew believing traffic flow to be in the opposite direction ?I really do think that some form of writ should be slapped across the City Managers gob at opening of business tomorrow.
This thing encompasses all that can possibly be wrong with the Irish concept of good governance and responsibility.In order to get to this actual stage the proposal will have been vetted by a cross section of EVERY professional department in DCC plus an Garda Siochana.
Are we being asked to believe that the sum total of every professional who inspected this amounted to a total inability to refer to reality as it pertains to public safety.There is a very real need now for some form of impeachment mechanism whereby people such as the City Manager can be forced to account for their decisions.
The images of that buggy and pedestrian totally concealed behind this insanely placed structure tell the entire sorry tale.
One can see where people such as Noel O Gara get their confidence from when dubious planning and irregularity on the part of a Civic Authority result in such a potentially fatal mess.
It might be worth mailing those images to Gay Byrne or show them to Joe,as in the absence of true democracy in this pastiche of a Republic it`s probably the best chance we have of securing accountability ! 😡 😡 😡
July 6, 2008 at 10:05 pm #776985Bago
ParticipantThis must be a piss take, exact same situation as you cross luas lines beside fourcourts beside old motor tax office, completely obscuring sight of pedestrians from traffic and vice versa. unbelievable!
July 6, 2008 at 11:20 pm #776986Smithfield Resi
ParticipantThis must be a piss take, exact same situation as you cross luas lines beside fourcourts beside old motor tax office, completely obscuring sight of pedestrians from traffic and vice versa. unbelievable!
Pictures please!! I’ll take a look but if someone could document this – also I will be picketing the Council Meeting tomorrow evening at City Hall (the old one!) from 6pm – anyone care to join me please! This madness HAS to be stopped.
my mobile number is temporarily in my profile under ‘about me’ – sent me a text or call
July 7, 2008 at 3:41 pm #776987ctesiphon
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Liffey Street, west side, outside M&S, north face of sign.
Occupies roughly half of the footpath.
Liffey Street, east side, junction with Proby’s Lane, north face of sign.
Because of the setback at Proby Lane, blocks about 2/3 of the pedestrian ‘desire line’. At least the ads’ll get seen. :rolleyes:
Henry Street, north side, junction with Sampson’s Lane, west face of sign.
Henry Street, north side, junction with Moore Street, west face of sign.July 7, 2008 at 3:50 pm #776988alonso
Participantand they;re all advertising water conservation. How about conserving our fucking public space you shower of ballbags!
July 7, 2008 at 5:22 pm #776989GrahamH
ParticipantAh ctesiphon has saved me having to post the same images. Even on a pedestrian street where space is plentiful, the overwhelming sense of the whoring out the public domain hits you like a sack of spuds. It’s extraordinary just how offensive these units are in the flesh – you really have to observe them in real life to garner the true sense of outrage felt by their blocking of your path and taking advantage of public amenity for grubby commercial interests.
I agree with Stephen that the design of the units is smart and elegant, but as Smithfield Resi has noted the sharp edges are lethal should one have a tumble against one. Even on a busy street like Henry Street (the mayhem of Christmas anyone…), the potential for some bad knocks and scrapes is considerable. Indeed on that point, Henry Street is horrific as it to navigate in December – this are going to make it a nightmare.
Also what’s with the hokey generic skyline – it’s not even informed by its host city.

But a minor detail in a thoroughly dismal saga.
July 7, 2008 at 6:41 pm #776990missarchi
Participantfamous AIB pyramid??? graham???
July 7, 2008 at 7:14 pm #776991Smithfield Resi
ParticipantNice shot of the fine ‘ash-felt’ finish there. Well done Wallace. Fine job – cheap and cheerful. Pocket the cheque now.
July 7, 2008 at 9:08 pm #776992urbanisto
ParticipantIn fairness I think the finish is temporary…in the real sense, not the DCC roadworks dept sense
July 7, 2008 at 9:09 pm #776993ctesiphon
ParticipantI hope you’re right, Stephen.
@GrahamH wrote:
Ah ctesiphon has saved me having to post the same images.
Aah go on- mine were grabbed in a hurry at lunchtime, burdened with groceries, merely for info purposes. I’d be keen to see someone else’s take on them too.
I don’t mind the two Henry Street ones as much – at least they have a bit of breathing space, though the siting is crude – but the Liffey Street ones are horrors.
Any other pics from other corners of the city yet?
July 7, 2008 at 9:13 pm #776994urbanisto
ParticipantIve seen them outside the Tourist Office on Andrew St (generally an okay spot as the pavement is very wide) and in the median along Parnell Street
July 7, 2008 at 9:14 pm #776995urbanisto
ParticipantAny sign (pun) of the larger units.All the bases are in place
July 7, 2008 at 9:17 pm #776996Smithfield Resi
ParticipantIn fairness I think the finish is temporary…in the real sense, not the DCC roadworks dept sense
Would that be temporary in the same way that historic granite has been ‘islanded’ by a 50m strech of asphalt ‘footpath’ on Thomas Street for the last six months? (keep meaning to post pics)
In other news…
The City Council just passed a emergency motion (unanimously and agreed as without debate) that;
All work be halted on the JC Decaux scheme until a complete health and safety report has been issued (words to that effect)
eyes peeled people (date stamps on photos are welcome together with photos of people in hi-vis continuing to put them up)
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