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  • #745669
    Anonymous
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    No am not being to PC on the issue. I am just sick to death of people generalising about various areas of the city. I am not denying that there are crime problems in various parts of Dublin, of course there is. However, there are broader societal reasons for sections of a community resorting to crime. The reason I took issue with your point is that you came out with a sweeping statement which encompased everyone. If someone gets caught committing a white collar crime (or any other crime) in one of the more affluent suburbs, should the whole area be blamed for their wrong-doing? I just think you need to think about the localities in the broader sense, and not just based on an element which gives them a bad name.

    Kefu, the majority of the blight in that area has been caused by developers who have allowed various properties to fall into ruined conditions.

    #745670
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    I lived on Henrietta Street for nearly two years and never once in the area between there and Parnell Square did anyone look sideways at my camera…. further up dorset street was a different story – so I used to carry them under my coat

    #745671
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Perhaps referring to the ‘activities’ of the area would be more appropriate than generalising its people – which presumably is what was intended…

    Agreed about the unfortunate nature of the area though – every time we used to pass the Wax in the car it was always ‘lock your doors’ :rolleyes: – frightened the hell out of us as kids πŸ™‚

    Pleasant enough area to walk through during the day though – lots of fading grandeur…

    #745672
    Frank Taylor
    Participant

    Is it true that at one time (when Henrietta street was built) this was the most fashionable area of the city? I’ve often heard this but I don’t know how true it is.

    #745673
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Henrietta Street was a “posh” area …. Dorset Street at that time would still have been largely a country road….

    Henrietta Street
    Archiseek / Ireland / Buildings of Ireland / Dublin / North City / Henrietta Street / Introduction

    Henrietta Street dates from the 1720s and was laid out by Luke Gardiner as his first venture. Gardiner, more than any other individual was responsible for turning Dublin into an elegant Georgian city. Named after Henrietta, Duchess of Grafton it is a dead-end terminated by the Law SocietyÒ€ℒs Kings Inns and was designed an as enclave of prestigious houses. The street is still cobbled but many of the fine houses are now in disrepair.

    In the mid 1700s, the street was inhabited by five peers, a peeress, a peer’s son, a judge, a member of parliament, a Bishop and two wealthy clergymen as well as Luke Gardiner himself. At the top end of the street next to the Kings Inns is the Law Library designed by Frederick Darley in 1827. This replaced three of the oldest houses on the street. A proposal by Abercrombie for a National Cathedral in this area would have meant the demolition of the street with the Kings Inns forming one side of a large piazza.

    http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/northcity/henrietta_street/index.html

    #745674
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Yes, it was the streets off Dorset St that were the most exclusive, with really just Henrietta St, Dominick St and Eccles St being the only exclusive ones north of Dorset.
    But by contrast there were many more streets south of here that were the Beverly Downs of the 18th century, new money but grand nonetheless πŸ™‚

    #745675
    kefu
    Participant

    Paul, What is the alignment of that National Cathedral plan.
    I can’t make out where Henrietta Street or the King’s Inns are.

    #745676
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Kefu, is there a copy of that map on this site somewhere? I thought I had seen it here before, but now I cannot find it. Otherwise there is a copy of it in Reinventing Modern Dublin by Yvonne Whelan.

    #745677
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    in the image:
    http://www.irish-architecture.com/buildings_ireland/dublin/northcity/henrietta_street/cathedral_proposal_lge.html

    Henrietta Street has been demolished… to the left of the piazza (the space with the obelisk) is the Kings Inns

    #745678
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Thanks for that Paul. I knew I had seen something to do with it on this site before.

    #745679
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    @Graham Hickey wrote:

    It’d be so funny to be innocently coming along and notice half a church emerging from one of the most reviled piles in the city πŸ™‚

    Graham, (and anyone else interested) I was walking past the Wax Museum today and I noticed that through some missing brickwork the remains of that old church actually can be seen! I am not actually joking about this. What I think I could see is the top part of that alcove that is to the top left of the building shown in the photo posted by Paul as it was before it was surrounded by the present building! (If that makes any sense)

    Phil

    #745680
    GrahamH
    Participant

    Oooh – how exciting πŸ™‚

    Thanks for that Phil – must take a look. I was talking to someone who was speaking with the ‘curator’ πŸ™‚ of the museum, and he said quite a lot of the church remains – though ‘quite a lot’ is fairly subjective…
    It’s due to close in June/July I think.

    #745681
    ConK
    Participant

    Has anybody been passing the Wax Museum upstairs on the number 10 . .. and seen the tantilising georgain ionic column bearly veiwable through the hole in the facade? I’d love to see it uncovered. is there any plans for this site?

    #745682
    Rusty Cogs
    Participant

    I don’t think it’s the top of a colum, rather one of two little flourishes over the alcove (incorrect term I know) which you can see in the picture if you go back through this thread. You may also read that the whole thing is to be demolished and replaced with a hotel.

    #745683
    GrahamH
    Participant

    The mind boggles at what was going through the head of the developer at the time; why would you even bother going to the effort and expense of shrouding any building, let alone an historic church, in a concrete box?! :confused:
    Why would you want to make your investment even uglier?!

    These were taken a while ago, but yes you can make out various details in some of the gaps in the cladding – indeed it’s not even cladding, more of a shell that just covers over the church. The ground floor arches seen in Paul’s picture below can be made out from the pavement below:

    A monster of a structure all round.

    #745684
    GregF
    Participant

    The architect should be sued for this thing if he or she is still alive…….its f*cking awful…no doubt it was influenced by the Abbey Theatre.
    How they could see this thing as an improverment to the area is beyond belief.

    #745685
    urbanisto
    Participant

    I have nevcer understood how this muck was built. While you are about shooting the architect get the planner and city manager as well! Shame!

    #745686
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Who owns this building?

    #745687
    Paul Clerkin
    Keymaster

    Donnie Cassidy?

    #745688
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Yes I think thats him of CMR records fame who has decided to have Eddie Hobbs researched by consultants using taxpayers money.

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