Mr Voting Machine’s Transport Plan
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I presume that the entirety of the Green wouldn’t have to be removed? Surely a pit could be dug down to the full depth, lined, and then the platforms dug out and constructed underground, ‘wide’ of the entrance shaft? The Geotechnics for this are going to be a hoot though.
As for spoil, well, if the TBMs for the metro and interconnector are going to be starting their path at (say) the airport and Inchicore, the tunnel spoil will be dragged out the end of the tunnels, leaving only the station material to be removed out of the city centre (altogether, thats a lot of material, anyone for a port extension?)
Does anyone know how deep the stations are likely to be? And which will be the lower level, the Metro or the heavy rail?
With relation to the “Old” DART carrages. They are around since 1983 and have a build life span of 40 years. I might also add that all the “Old” DART carrages are going to Germany to get completely rebuilt and refitted. The orginal seating plan will remain however. – I pefer the old DARTS they just seem more comfortable and have more seats.
I think when rail rolling stock costs in excess of 2 million euro per carrage, I would hope that they would be around for a while.
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30m means that (allowing 10m for the interconnector and the supports), the metro will only be 15-20m below the street level – I can almost smell the compo claims for structural damage.
If the interconnector isn’t due to be finished until 2015, doe this mean that the Metro can’t open till then either? They can hardly have heavy engineering works going on below functioning Metro and Luas stations, can they?
Also, won’t the location of the entrance to the Metro station determine where the Luas ‘connector’ can run? If the entire corner of Stephens Green is a 30m pit, they can hardly construct a luas line around the top of the green and down Dawson street, can they?
@Richards wrote:
With relation to the “Old” DART carrages. They are around since 1983 and have a build life span of 40 years. I might also add that all the “Old” DART carrages are going to Germany to get completely rebuilt and refitted. The orginal seating plan will remain however. – I pefer the old DARTS they just seem more comfortable and have more seats.
I think when rail rolling stock costs in excess of 2 million euro per carrage, I would hope that they would be around for a while.
the old dart carriages make a lot more noise. the newer ones seem to be nicer, quiter, they tell you where you are and so on. by the way… i am not just refering to darts. how old are the old inter city carriages? i would like to see the new inter city trains on all lines with the very old inter city trains gone. the really old inter city trains are the ones with the high backs on every seat.
I bet our effort at Grand Central will be a far cry from the real thing…..all cavity blocks, exposed girders and emulsion paint.
Does anybody know the furture of the loop line bridge after the interconnector is finished? I expect they will retain it even though it seems like a glorious opportunity to consign the scar that it is to the bosca bruscar of history!
IE ‘s current rail fleet ranges from the MK 2 carrages which orginate from between 1966 and the mid 70’s. These can been seen on the Dublin Sligo and to a lesser extent on the Dublin – Galway services. These carrages will probebly be phased out within the next 2 years.
The rolling stock which is predomantly used out of Heuston to services in Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Waterford & Westport are MK 3 Carrages (British Rail designed). These were built between 1980 and 1980 and are still very much in use. These will be kept and will either be used on the Dublin – Sligo line or will be used as spares or for running special services (such as bank holidays or All Ireland Finals etc). These are currently the fastest of the IE rolling stock and (track permitting) allowed for use of 100 mph.
The biggest change of the IE Intercity timetable will be the introduction of clock face train services. Dublin Cork will get an hourly servi ce, while Galway, Limerick & Waterford will get a 2 hourly service. (See IE web site for more). IE are moving more to rail cars or push pull sets. This will enable a quicker turnaround at each station where the service termanates. In a nutshell, IE by 2009 will have replaced 90% of their intercity carrages and will have a relatively new fleet. I only hope the irish public will treat the new carrages with respect.
The Enterprise services on the Dublin Belfast line operate the same carrages that exist on the Euro Star service. However they have not aged well (just plain dirty and grotty) considering they are younger that the Euro Star rolling stock.
All in all, it is good that rail transportation in Ireland is finally getting the investment it requires.
that is good news about 90% of it being a new fleet. i guess we will just have to wait and see. it would be nice to see as irish rail have been upgrading for years now. when a job is done in ireland it takes a long time. people are talking about the new transport plan taking 10 years but that they would like to see it done in 5. 10 years is a long way off. i do ike the new plan though. i would really like to see extra luas lines and a metro. i like new things. i wonder how long it took to build the metro system in madrid? our transport plan will take a lot longer than 10 years to build in my opinion.
@dodger wrote:
Does anybody know the furture of the loop line bridge after the interconnector is finished? I expect they will retain it even though it seems like a glorious opportunity to consign the scar that it is to the bosca bruscar of history!
Loopline bridge will be used by maynooth line trains that will pass through connolly, tara, pearse and on south along the coastal dart. So you will be able to board at Clonsilla and alight at Dun Laoghaire without changing train.
http://www.platform11.org/campaigns/extendthedart/what_is_the_drp.phpI would have thought that the governments main priority would be to electrify all railways in Ireland. They had a better rail network in Soviet Russia. Those diesel things should be scrapped. They’re old, dirty and not half as fast as an electrified railway. I’m not saying that we need TGV type trains going at 320mph, but clean and more efficiant trains would be nice.
@alpha wrote:
ew transport plan taking 10 years but that they would like to see it done in 5. 10 years is a long way off. i do ike the new plan though. i would really like to see extra luas lines and a metro. i like new things. i wonder how long it took to build the metro system in madrid? our transport plan will take a lot longer than 10 years to build in my opinion.
Yes, in any other European city, this would be delivered within 5 years without a bother. We have had no previous experience building such projects .
I foresee hundreds of legal proceedings against the T21, which will massively delay these projects.
dodger
loop line bridge will be carrying Maynooth-Greystones DARTs when T21 is complete (sometime in 2040 after each government change “reviews” it and “re-plans” it) – interconnector will be carrying Balbriggan-Hazelhatch DART.
I rather sadly have to agree-with-mr-Seerski.
It probably has more to do with our Catholic upbringing than any Planning or Governance issues.
We have been inured with the belief that its the Primacy of the Individual that counts above all else……Individual Belief,Individual Faith and the rights of the Individual to exist at whatever level THEY wish irrespective of the effects this Individiality has on the collective lives co-existing with them on this little Island.
This for example allows one single Individual to board a Bus,hoist a bag upon the dashboard, and begin a slow and laborious search and rescue procedure for their BusFare whilst remaining TOTALLY oblivious to the bedraggled,soaked and strangely silent queue of OTHER people standing in the pissing cold rain with THEIR Busfare already counted out…The search can be a time consuming one,oft accompanied by muttered grumbles about how long “I” have been waiting for the Bus etc etc.
I have witnessed in other European Cities how the other passengers will simply apply the “Greater Good” principle and brush the Rooter aside therefore asserting their right to avail of faster public transport journeys by having their fare ready….However this will NOT happen here and the poor ol Plain People of Ireland simply stand in line behind the Terminally Unprepared one raising their eyes to heaven secure in the catholic knowledge that this is merely part of their Purgatory on Earth for which they will be richly recompensed in the afterlife……
In the meantime lets hear the assembled choir of the Archiseekers get to their feet for a rousing rendition of the Rolling Stones tune……..”You can`t always Get what you Want”……ah one,ah two,ah three…….. :p“……….Individual Belief,Individual Faith and the rights of the Individual to exist at whatever level THEY wish irrespective of the effects this Individiality has on the collective lives co-existing with them on this little Island………”
That sounds more like Protestantism to me!
I say it will happen, if we want it to. If it doesn’t, we systematically kick every Fianna Failer and PD out of government, then out of every county council, town council, and two-bit local quango in Ireland, permanently. Then we do the same to the next crowd until we get someone to do the job properly.
I’m afraid if we retreat into the usual self-defeating cynicism on this one, we’re giving the Govt the opportunity to come back in a couple of years time and say: ‘It was aspirational. Sure ye said so yourselves…’.
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