Motorways in Ireland
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- June 2, 2005 at 10:35 pm #756077
A-ha
Participant[font=Arial:26ngot8s]Shame for Limerick, it obviously needs bigger and better roads sooner than Waterford. Limerick is Ireland's third city and needs money invested in its roads sooner than Waterford.[/font:26ngot8s] 🙁
June 2, 2005 at 11:53 pm #756078Devin
ParticipantAll of the land-use and transportation trends in Ireland show an American pattern of development, with increasing car dependency and journey generation between places of residence, work, shopping and recreation……The dual-carriageway and motorway programme between the main urban centres is being justified on the basis of reducing travel times and achieving good regional distribution of goods and services. But the main effect will be to increase the commuter and urban sprawl belts, without any parallel strategy to increase the modal share of public transport as required by Ireland’s National Cilmate Change Strategy (2000).
Most of the individual elements of the National Development Plan’s inter-urban motorways and dual-carriageways have been approved through oral hearings. Each EIS has been produced and each oral hearing conducted as though it concerned an isolated development – without considering the downstream impact of filtering more traffic into urban centres or generating more car-based sprawl across a wider catchment area….
There is an almost uniform prejudicial assumption that road vehicle numbers must be catered for without any consideration of the knock-on effect of increased emission of greenhouse gases and particle pollutants, congestion generation, and consumption of land and resources; or consideration of more efficient rail and other public transport based strategies….
– from An Taisce Annual Report 2005
June 3, 2005 at 8:44 pm #756079dave123
Participantgovernment just can’t plan roads at all!!!
they wont finish the N7 i think because they are at the moment spending a lot of money on the existing road , noticably in laois to roscrea , plus they don’t want dig up the nenagh bypasss
which was OUTDATED before it was built !!!!!!
i can’t understand why they can’t just DO the N7 once and for all its 1 of the shortest distance road between two cities.
kerry and clare traffic have to via the N7 to go directy to Dublin
BY THE WAY NOTHIN CULLEN !!!!1 BUT THAT ROAD ONLY WENT AHEAD BECAUSE THATS WHERE HIS CONSTITUNCY IS HAHAH !!!!!
now theres some realisation of why the N9 is going ahead. up to a year ago the plan from Dublin to waterford was nearly scrapped . oh well limerick loses out again!!!!!!!1June 3, 2005 at 8:45 pm #756080dave123
Participantspellin , i dont check it ……. i meant nothin against minister cullen
June 4, 2005 at 12:52 am #756081Anonymous
Inactive@dave123 wrote:
BY THE WAY NOTHIN CULLEN !!!!1 BUT THAT ROAD ONLY WENT AHEAD BECAUSE THATS WHERE HIS CONSTITUNCY IS HAHAH !!!!!
now theres some realisation of why the N9 is going ahead. up to a year ago the plan from Dublin to waterford was nearly scrapped . oh well limerick loses out again!!!!!!!1Welcome to the country of County jerseys 😀
June 5, 2005 at 6:31 pm #756082dave123
Participantdoes anyone know why can’t they build a flyover at newlands cross N7??
the government have the money to buy private aircraft to beat the traffic, so why can’t they get rid of serious traffic blackspots ?
when naas road is finshed it will funnel into the cross and cause more delays to the already snarled cross!June 7, 2005 at 10:45 am #756083Andrew Duffy
Participantwhy can’t they build a flyover at newlands cross N7
http://www.sdublincoco.ie/index.aspx?pageid=22&deptid=12&dpageid=355
Volume 5 part 2 has diagrams. The N7 starts at its junction with the M50; the upgrade will provide freeflow links for N7 eastbound to M50 northbound and southbound, and for M50 southbound to N7 westbound. M50 northbound to N7 westbound will have traffic lights as the Luas crosses at grade and it uses part of the existing roundabout. Access to the Luas park and ride will be grade-seperated.
June 7, 2005 at 6:47 pm #756084GrahamH
ParticipantJust noting on that link – why are public hearings always held in the Gresham?!
June 8, 2005 at 1:00 pm #756085dave123
Participantthe old Naas road adjacent to the newlands cross to M50 section could be paved away for a proper dual road with flyovers
i know ther are buildings there but most are derelict and to close to the existing road.
the old naas road is like a country back lane in the middle of know where! as regards to the luas park and ride jucntion should have been a flyoverMoney ran out , what a surprise,
sure the Dail are on public holidays so i will say nothin more. there are on helicoptors so they won;t have to worry about the rush either.god bless em!
June 8, 2005 at 2:07 pm #756086hutton
Participant😮 !
Planners reject road plan for first time
An Bord Pleanála makes landmark ruling on proposed inner relief road for Kildare town
Frank McDonald, Environment EditorAn Bord Pleanála has refused planning permission for a proposed inner relief route in Athy, Co Kildare, the first time that the board has rejected any road scheme that came before it.
The 1km route, first proposed in 1975, would run to the south of Duke and Leinster streets from a new roundabout west of the railway bridge on the Dublin road to another new roundabout on the Kilkenny road.
It would have included a new bridge over the Grand Canal and another over the River Barrow. Objectors argued that the route would run right past the rear of Athy’s courthouse – a protected structure – skirting the main square before rising to cross the river. In its decision to refuse permission, An Bord Pleanála said it considered that the proposed route “would fail both as a street and as a relief road because it would continue to bring traffic, including heavy commercial vehicles, through the town centre”.
The board noted, in particular, that the current Athy Development Plan included a proposed southern bypass, which would provide a new crossing of the River Barrow some 500 metres to the south of the inner relief route, but without any need to bridge the Grand Canal.
It said this bypass “offers opportunities for providing linkages between the growing eastern, southern and western suburbs of the town, while leaving the townscape of its historic core intact”, whereas the inner relief route would have “significant adverse effects”.
Spelling these out, the board said the proposed road would materially and adversely affect the character of the town centre of Athy and would detract from its townscape qualities by reason of visual intrusion, noise and general disturbance from traffic.
In reaching this conclusion, the board said it had regard to the composition of protected structures and other buildings of importance in the medieval core of Athy, to existing historic street patterns in the area and to their relationship to the River Barrow.
It considered that the introduction of vehicular traffic, including heavy commercial vehicles, into this “sensitive urban environment” and interference with the pattern of urban spaces would be “contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area”.
The board also ruled that the environmental impact statement (EIS) “is deficient in not adequately addressing the alternatives to this inner relief route in the context of present land use patterns, traffic movements, road developments and environmental constraints”.
Though Dom Hegarty, the inspector who conducted the public inquiry last March, recommended approval, the board said “the totality of the injurious effects on the town of Athy would be unacceptable in the context of proper planning and sustainable development”.
An Taisce welcomed An Bord Pleanála’s decision, saying it was a vindication of its role as a prescribed body under the Planning Acts.
“Kildare County Council weren’t even going to do an EIS until we referred the matter to the board, which directed that it be done,” it added.
Mr Ian Lumley, the trust’s heritage officer, said the case raised questions about the competence of inspectors holding road hearings in relation to how the EU directive on environmental impact assessment is applied, particularly the requirement to consider alternatives.
“More often than not, these inspectors are retired engineers from local authorities or the Department of the Environment, whose thinking on roads seems not to have changed from what was happening in Dublin in the 1980s, when whole streets were being pulled down.”
One of the most vocal opponents of the inner relief route was local solicitor Frank Taffe. He made it clear at the hearing last March that there was no need “to destroy the character of our town” when the alternative of an outer ring road was available.
© The Irish Times
June 8, 2005 at 2:56 pm #756087Andrew Duffy
Participantthe old Naas road adjacent to the newlands cross to M50 section could be paved away for a proper dual road with flyovers
i know ther are buildings there but most are derelict and to close to the existing road.The N7 is already eight lanes wide at that point, and since it terminates on the M50 there is a deliberate intention not to provide a freeflowing link to the R110 dual carriageways (yes, there are two) on the other side. Also, to absorb a parallel service road and introduce numerous private accesses to the N7 itself would go completely against the point of the upgrade.
as regards to the luas park and ride jucntion should have been a flyover
It will be. Whether the junction should have been built before the Luas opened rather than three years later is another matter.
June 8, 2005 at 3:40 pm #756088dave123
Participanti totally dissagree with you saying it is eight lanes by then …………..
if you notice that there is no hard shoulder , a narrow median in the centre and a bus lane on the other side , you might want to check it again!
as with the other lane it is only a filter lane to the M50 . there IS NO EIGHT LANE ROAD IN IRELAND TECHNICALLY,
OH YES O’CONNELL BRIDGE!!!
ITS A TOTAL DISSGRACE THAT ROAD IS F****** NIGHTMARE
the trees are a healthazard as it looks will fall over on cars that use the roadJune 8, 2005 at 5:45 pm #756089Andrew Duffy
ParticipantThe M1 has an eight lane section between the Airport and the M50 – there are five lanes southbound and three northbound. There’s also a shoulder each side and a wide median. Will that do?
June 8, 2005 at 6:00 pm #756090Andrew Duffy
ParticipantIncidentally, the Naas Road dual carriageway at Bluebell was built in the early 1940s – is it the oldest such road in the state?
June 8, 2005 at 6:50 pm #756091hutton
Participant@Andrew Duffy wrote:
Incidentally, the Naas Road dual carriageway at Bluebell was built in the early 1940s – is it the oldest such road in the state?
Foxrock dualer – late 30’s I think; from church to the next jcn nth at Whites cross
June 8, 2005 at 7:05 pm #756092GrahamH
ParticipantThat early?
Suppose we tend to associate dual-carriageways with motorways, which didn’t come about till the 50s in the UK anyway…June 9, 2005 at 12:08 am #756093Tuborg
ParticipantWell considering that we didnt get our first motorway till 1983,motorways are still a bit of a novelty in Ireland,at the moment Dublin,Meath,Kildare,Louth,laois and wicklow(barely) are the only counties with motorways,it took us a good while to find our way,it is only recently after a couple of high profile accidents that median barriers were fitted,these have been in place in europe since the 60s.Another problem with our motorways is the signage,its terrible!, small,flimsy signs are no good,there is always a total lack of overhead gantry signing,even at important junctions,i know they are being installed on the M50 but i would like to see them rolled out on all motorways and important dual carriageways. I think with the naas road,we would be happy with full grade separation from Naas to the M50,its disappointing that it isnt going to be designated as a motorway, just a another example of inconsistencies in the road network,at the moment its to be dc from the M50 to naas,motorway from Naas to Borris in Ossory and dc from there to Limerick,Limerick to Nenagh was supposed to have been a motorway but that seems to have been quietly shelved. Then again the Limerick ring road is a dual carriageway aswell, why not make the whole bloody route a motorway!,the ridiculous thing is that the roads being built are of motorway standard but are to be designated as dual carriageways,like a lot of things in this country it makes no sense!..
June 9, 2005 at 11:21 am #756094dave123
Participantthe rathcoole was the first town to be bypassed in the 50s think
Andrew do you drive ?????
did you pass your D lesssoons? no offense but look at the white lines again there ARE filter lanes , the lines clearly show that
redcow to rathcoole N7
palmerstown to liffy vally N4
are official 3 lane roadsthey are for turning left off the M1 because there are two intercahnges very close and by the time you get off one your on the next , especially whern you have a lot of traffic using the M1 who wish to get on and off the the motorway!
June 9, 2005 at 1:46 pm #756095Andrew Duffy
ParticipantI do drive. The extra lanes on the M1 are not slip roads, they are weaving lanes. You won’t find many motorways with sections wider than 6 lanes that aren’t for this purpose – in many cases the road is actually divided into multiple carriageways. The interchange on the M50 at Sandyford is an example. When the M50 upgrade is complete it will have weaving lanes between the M1 and the N81, making it an eight-lane highway.
If you drive North of Dublin Airport on the M1 you’ll see that the traffic does not justify any more than two lanes in each direction.
June 9, 2005 at 6:13 pm #756096GrahamH
ParticipantMost certainly – there’s tumbleweed to be seen in places.
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